MivaVM 5.02 and OpenUI
I wholeheartedly agree (and Dan, just FYI , the majority of my "rants"
are not necessarily directed at solely the original poster - hope you
don't think I was trying to slap you around).
However, there's a WAY to discuss things. I've seen a lot of posts get
out of hand and run into crazy, heated debates (I could actually hear
people screaming, donning red faces), rather than just having a
"conversation."
> However, if your silence or dissent is based simply on not
> wanting to bite the hand that feeds you then that just shows
> a lack of any moral fiber and is certainly not something to
> be encouraged or to be proud of.
I'm not encouraging people to shut up at all. But I would say that if
you worked for Trump and had a problem, there's a way to present that.
Some things SHOULD be presented off list, and somethings should be
presented with an open mind. Spewing the first thing that comes out of
one's head usually winds up biting them back. I've been there myself a
million times. Either way people decide what to post on, it's always
nice to take a few minutes before hitting that send button.
Pamela
Real Solutions for Miva Merchant
The Official Guide to Miva Merchant
<A HREF ="http://www.designextend.com/DE">http://www.designextend.com/DE</A>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of mivalist
> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 4:32 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [mru] MivaVM 5.02 and OpenUI
>
>
> In addition to everyone having a "right" to comment when they
> feel Miva (or anyone else) has done something that has a
> negative impact, I believe they actually have a
> "responsibility" to do so. Nothing ever gets changed by
> remaining silent. Only by standing up for yourself will your
> opinion ever be heard and that opinion may influence Miva.
> There's no guarantee that it will but you can bet it won't if
> you say nothing.
>
> If you remain silent because you feel that there's been no
> wrong then that's just fine. If you speak out against those
> who claim there has been a wrong because you disagree then
> that's even better. That's what leads to a real discussion of
> the issue.
>
> However, if your silence or dissent is based simply on not
> wanting to bite the hand that feeds you then that just shows
> a lack of any moral fiber and is certainly not something to
> be encouraged or to be proud of.
>
> Dan
> Impulse Creations
>
> For low priced back issue comics and the very best in service
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of
> Chuck Lasker - DoublePlus
> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 3:13 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [mru] MivaVM 5.02 and OpenUI
>
> Pamela said:
>
> > It's sad to hear the continuous comments about how bad Miva Corp is
> > itself. It seems that any time something negative is
> posted, it turns
> > into a loop of insults to the company that, in one way or another,
> > helps us ALL make money (or for those new businesses, make
> a presence
> > on the web). I personally would never keep a business relationship
> > with someone
> > or some company I had no respect for.
>
> Just because we make money supporting Miva Merchant owners,
> doesn't mean Miva is helping us make money, any more than
> Microsoft is helping technicians who charge for supporting
> Windows make money. Unless, of course, you mean that by
> creating a less-than-perfect product, Miva is helping people
> like us make more money supporting it when it needs
> modifications to do what the customer wants. I guess, in that
> way, Miva is helping me.
>
> I think it's important to understand that criticizing a
> company's decisions is not a horrific act. I don't think
> stating that I think something was done incorrectly, in my
> opinion, leads directly to severing all ties with the
> company. It's not so black and white.
>
> If I only kept business relationships with companies I felt
> were perfect, I'd have no business relationships at all. Of
> course, what constitutes a business relationship in this
> context? Using the product? I don't think so. A business
> relationship is mutually supportive in some way, which I
> don't see happening here. If I buy Shell gas, that doesn't
> mean I have a relationship with Shell, nor that I respect
> them. It just means I bought gas from them, and doesn't mean
> I shouldn't criticize them from that point forward.
>
> Chuck
>
>
I wholeheartedly agree (and Dan, just FYI , the majority of my "rants"
are not necessarily directed at solely the original poster - hope you
don't think I was trying to slap you around).
However, there's a WAY to discuss things. I've seen a lot of posts get
out of hand and run into crazy, heated debates (I could actually hear
people screaming, donning red faces), rather than just having a
"conversation."
> However, if your silence or dissent is based simply on not
> wanting to bite the hand that feeds you then that just shows
> a lack of any moral fiber and is certainly not something to
> be encouraged or to be proud of.
I'm not encouraging people to shut up at all. But I would say that if
you worked for Trump and had a problem, there's a way to present that.
Some things SHOULD be presented off list, and somethings should be
presented with an open mind. Spewing the first thing that comes out of
one's head usually winds up biting them back. I've been there myself a
million times. Either way people decide what to post on, it's always
nice to take a few minutes before hitting that send button.
Pamela
Real Solutions for Miva Merchant
The Official Guide to Miva Merchant
<A HREF ="http://www.designextend.com/DE">http://www.designextend.com/DE</A>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of mivalist
> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 4:32 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [mru] MivaVM 5.02 and OpenUI
>
>
> In addition to everyone having a "right" to comment when they
> feel Miva (or anyone else) has done something that has a
> negative impact, I believe they actually have a
> "responsibility" to do so. Nothing ever gets changed by
> remaining silent. Only by standing up for yourself will your
> opinion ever be heard and that opinion may influence Miva.
> There's no guarantee that it will but you can bet it won't if
> you say nothing.
>
> If you remain silent because you feel that there's been no
> wrong then that's just fine. If you speak out against those
> who claim there has been a wrong because you disagree then
> that's even better. That's what leads to a real discussion of
> the issue.
>
> However, if your silence or dissent is based simply on not
> wanting to bite the hand that feeds you then that just shows
> a lack of any moral fiber and is certainly not something to
> be encouraged or to be proud of.
>
> Dan
> Impulse Creations
>
> For low priced back issue comics and the very best in service
> visit us at www.impulsecreations.net and be sure to look for
> information on our discounted subscription service with free
> bags and free shipping!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of
> Chuck Lasker - DoublePlus
> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 3:13 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [mru] MivaVM 5.02 and OpenUI
>
> Pamela said:
>
> > It's sad to hear the continuous comments about how bad Miva Corp is
> > itself. It seems that any time something negative is
> posted, it turns
> > into a loop of insults to the company that, in one way or another,
> > helps us ALL make money (or for those new businesses, make
> a presence
> > on the web). I personally would never keep a business relationship
> > with someone
> > or some company I had no respect for.
>
> Just because we make money supporting Miva Merchant owners,
> doesn't mean Miva is helping us make money, any more than
> Microsoft is helping technicians who charge for supporting
> Windows make money. Unless, of course, you mean that by
> creating a less-than-perfect product, Miva is helping people
> like us make more money supporting it when it needs
> modifications to do what the customer wants. I guess, in that
> way, Miva is helping me.
>
> I think it's important to understand that criticizing a
> company's decisions is not a horrific act. I don't think
> stating that I think something was done incorrectly, in my
> opinion, leads directly to severing all ties with the
> company. It's not so black and white.
>
> If I only kept business relationships with companies I felt
> were perfect, I'd have no business relationships at all. Of
> course, what constitutes a business relationship in this
> context? Using the product? I don't think so. A business
> relationship is mutually supportive in some way, which I
> don't see happening here. If I buy Shell gas, that doesn't
> mean I have a relationship with Shell, nor that I respect
> them. It just means I bought gas from them, and doesn't mean
> I shouldn't criticize them from that point forward.
>
> Chuck
>
>
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