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    Can someone "nutshell" this for me? I'm out of town, find these posts,
    have a project I desperately trying to finish that uses, static pages,
    Merchant Optimizer and the CBS SFL Suite. Bottom line, am I screwed? The
    site has tons on links to products within the site. I thought this used to
    be the way to do this? Have the rules just changed again?

    FWIW - I have suggested more than once that the client use Jason's services.

    Leslie


    >> > Depends on whether you have regular links elsewhere to products or
    >> > categories. If you have zero, than no problem. Might as well do it
    > just to be sure.
    >
    > Jason
    >
    >
    >> ---------------------------
    >>
    >> Great!
    >>
    >> So we don't need to use a robot.txt file either? I've seen this in some
    >> other posts on this thread so I just want to be sure. :-)
    >>
    >> Thanks!
    >> Lori
    >>
    >> ----------------------------
    >>
    >> On 5/16/05 7:41 PM, "Jason Henderson" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >> > Depends on whether you have regular links elsewhere to products or
    >> > categories. If you have zero, than no problem.
    >> >
    >> > Jason
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >> We're using Search Friendly Links, Meta Tag Generator and Search
    > Friendly
    >> >> Store Map all by CBS.
    >> >>
    >> >> After reading this thread we're wondering what we need to do...
    >> >>
    >> >> According to the SFL manual: "... adding the .htaccess rewrite rule
    > will
    >> >> take the ' directory' link and rewrite the request to meet the SFL
    > style
    >> >> on-the-fly as requests come in. Search engines will only see the
    >> static
    >> >> link, not the rewritten link as this process is handled within your
    >> web
    >> >> server"
    >> >>
    >> >> If this is true than the URLs created by SFL and SF Store Map should
    >> be
    > OK
    >> >> as Google won't see the Miva dynamic URLs, (along with the SFL and SF
    >> > Store
    >> >> Map URLs), and penalize us for duplicate sites... right????????
    >> >>
    >> >> Thanks!
    >> >> Lori
    >> >>
    >> >> ------------------
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >> On 5/16/05 6:44 PM, "Jason Henderson" <[email protected]>
    >> wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >>> Same thing. There will be what "appears" to be two different pages
    > with
    >> > the
    >> >>> exact same content. Banning /Merchant2/ directory "should" not
    >> affect
    >> >>> rewritten urls via .htaccess such as SFL but don't quote me on that.
    >> >>>
    >> >>> Jason
    >> >>>
    >> >>>
    >> >>>> I tried to follow the entire thread and didn't see this asked. If
    > so,
    >> > I
    >> >>>> apologize. What happens if your site has both SFL and normal links
    > to
    >> > the
    >> >>>> same page? Will this cause issues?
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> Paul
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> -----Original Message-----
    >> >>>> From: [email protected]
    >> >>>> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of
    > Webmaster -
    >> >>>> Aquariumpros.com
    >> >>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 2:20 PM
    >> >>>> To: Annie's Maternity Corner; Miva Merchant Users
    >> >>>> Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> Uhm, I hope there's nothing wrong with THAT! Yeesh! We have ten
    > domains
    >> >>> with
    >> >>>> nothing on them pointing to aquariumpros.com.
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> Dave Hauser, President
    >> >>>> Aquarium Professionals Group
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> -----Original Message-----
    >> >>>> From: [email protected]
    >> >>>> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Annie's
    >> >>>> Maternity Corner
    >> >>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 2:10 PM
    >> >>>> To: Miva Merchant Users
    >> >>>> Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> The other URLs just re-direct to my site -- they don't actually
    >> have
    >> > any
    >> >>>> pages of their own....
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    >> >>>> Anne Cavicchi
    >> >>>> Annie's
    >> >>>> 106 - 402 Baker ST
    >> >>>> Nelson, BC V1L4H8
    >> >>>> 250-354-2000
    >> >>>> www.maternitycorner.com
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> -----Original Message-----
    >> >>>> From: [email protected]
    >> >>>> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of
    > Webmaster -
    >> >>>> Aquariumpros.com
    >> >>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 11:03 AM
    >> >>>> To: Annie's Maternity Corner; Miva Merchant Users
    >> >>>> Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> The way I am given to understand it, NO. Not if the content in the
    >> > three
    >> >>>> sites is different, but that would not be mirroring. That would be
    >> >>> linking!
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> If however all three of those sites sell the same products, have
    >> the
    >> > same
    >> >>>> product descriptions and the same categories (are in effect the
    >> same
    >> >>> store),
    >> >>>> then yes, according to Google, that could hurt you.
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> The article posted in this thread also hints that Google has tied
    > into
    >> > DNS
    >> >>>> registration DBs and are looking at who owns sites that appear to
    > have
    >> > the
    >> >>>> same content.
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> Dave Hauser, President
    >> >>>> Aquarium Professionals Group
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> -----Original Message-----
    >> >>>> From: [email protected]
    >> >>>> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Annie's
    >> >>>> Maternity Corner
    >> >>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 1:39 PM
    >> >>>> To: Miva Merchant Users
    >> >>>> Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> So, if I have anniesbaby.com and rebelmaternity.com etc pointing to
    >> >>>> maternitycorner.com that's going to hurt me in google???
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    >> >>>> Anne Cavicchi
    >> >>>> Annie's
    >> >>>> 106 - 402 Baker ST
    >> >>>> Nelson, BC V1L4H8
    >> >>>> 250-354-2000
    >> >>>> www.maternitycorner.com
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> -----Original Message-----
    >> >>>> From: [email protected]
    >> >>>> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Aquapro
    >> >>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 10:25 AM
    >> >>>> To: Bill Gilligan; Miva Merchant Users
    >> >>>> Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> Just wanted to post this after FINALLY hearing back from Google.
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> We had almost 55,000 pages in the Google index from our Search
    >> Engine
    >> >>> Killer
    >> >>>> pages, CBS store map pages, plus all the static content pages from
    > the
    >> >>>> informational side of our site.
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> Now down to 904 and dropping. After quite a few emails to Google,
    >> we
    >> >>> finally
    >> >>>> got a response. They are absolutely not indexing ANY form of mirror
    > or
    >> >>> HTML
    >> >>>> equivalent of dynamic pages. If content on pages is identical or
    >> even
    >> >>> close,
    >> >>>> forget about it!
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> It's either the dynamic pages, or ONE series of HTML pages. Have a
    >> > mirror
    >> >>> on
    >> >>>> another domain? Google may not list your site at all unless (like
    > us),
    >> > you
    >> >>>> also have a fair amount of content pages.
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> They would not get into algorythym specifics, but the bottom line
    >> is
    >> > that
    >> >>> we
    >> >>>> had too many copies of our store in their index. Their solution was
    > to
    >> > get
    >> >>>> rid OF ALL pages related to Merchant from our site. They said their
    >> > spider
    >> >>>> will now crawl the site starting at the index and will spider any
    > links
    >> > it
    >> >>>> finds until content starts looking identical, then it will stop. It
    >> > will
    >> >>> be
    >> >>>> at least two to six months after we "clean up our site and remove
    >> all
    >> >>> forms
    >> >>>> of mirror html pages before Google will start indexing new html
    >> pages
    >> >>>> generated by our new PHP Frame solution (Sebenza Studios). As that
    >> >>> solution
    >> >>>> also prevents the spider from seeing standard mvc product and
    > category
    >> >>>> pages, it will work, but only after we get rid of our SEK pages and
    > CBS
    >> >>>> Store Map.
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> SEK, CBS store map and any other form of mirrored pages are a thing
    > of
    >> > the
    >> >>>> past when it comes to Google. Either the PHP Frame solution we have
    > or
    >> >>>> Search Friendly links with dynamic Miva pages are the only way to
    > fly.
    >> > Get
    >> >>>> rid of anything else fast!
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> Thank you
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> Dave Hauser, President
    >> >>>> Aquarium Professionals Group
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> -----Original Message-----
    >> >>>> From: [email protected]
    >> >>>> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Bill
    >> > Gilligan
    >> >>>> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 12:16 PM
    >> >>>> To: Miva Merchant Users
    >> >>>> Subject: [mru] OT: Google link?
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> Someone recently posted a link to a story about new changes at
    > Google.
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> I have a client that has found his sales down, and google listing
    >> has
    >> >>>> dropped bu thousands. Did they
    >> >>>> drop thousands of pages?
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> Anyone have that link?
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> Bill
    >> >>>>



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