OT: Google link?

Just wanted to post this after FINALLY hearing back from Google.

We had almost 55,000 pages in the Google index from our Search Engine Killer
pages, CBS store map pages, plus all the static content pages from the
informational side of our site.

Now down to 904 and dropping. After quite a few emails to Google, we finally
got a response. They are absolutely not indexing ANY form of mirror or HTML
equivalent of dynamic pages. If content on pages is identical or even close,
forget about it!

It's either the dynamic pages, or ONE series of HTML pages. Have a mirror on
another domain? Google may not list your site at all unless (like us), you
also have a fair amount of content pages.

They would not get into algorythym specifics, but the bottom line is that we
had too many copies of our store in their index. Their solution was to get
rid OF ALL pages related to Merchant from our site. They said their spider
will now crawl the site starting at the index and will spider any links it
finds until content starts looking identical, then it will stop. It will be
at least two to six months after we "clean up our site and remove all forms
of mirror html pages before Google will start indexing new html pages
generated by our new PHP Frame solution (Sebenza Studios). As that solution
also prevents the spider from seeing standard mvc product and category
pages, it will work, but only after we get rid of our SEK pages and CBS
Store Map.

SEK, CBS store map and any other form of mirrored pages are a thing of the
past when it comes to Google. Either the PHP Frame solution we have or
Search Friendly links with dynamic Miva pages are the only way to fly. Get
rid of anything else fast!


Thank you

Dave Hauser, President
Aquarium Professionals Group


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Bill Gilligan
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 12:16 PM
To: Miva Merchant Users
Subject: [mru] OT: Google link?


Someone recently posted a link to a story about new changes at Google.

I have a client that has found his sales down, and google listing has
dropped bu thousands. Did they
drop thousands of pages?

Anyone have that link?

Bill

OT: Google link?



Since time began, ANY time you had to go out of your way to apease the
search engines, it has been considered *spam* and banable.

--
Keli Etscorn, CEO
Bear Canyon Consulting, LLC
-----------------------------------------------
RealEstateAgentHouse.com Realtor Solutions
#1 in Google |Albuquerque Web Design
KeliE.com |Nationally Featured Design
BearCanyonSEO.com |Search Engine Optimization




Aquapro wrote:
>
> SEK, CBS store map and any other form of mirrored pages are a thing of the
> past when it comes to Google. Either the PHP Frame solution we have or
> Search Friendly links with dynamic Miva pages are the only way to fly. Get
> rid of anything else fast!

OT: Google link?



So, if I have anniesbaby.com and rebelmaternity.com etc pointing to
maternitycorner.com that's going to hurt me in google???

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Anne Cavicchi
Annie's
106 - 402 Baker ST
Nelson, BC V1L4H8
250-354-2000
www.maternitycorner.com


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Aquapro
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 10:25 AM
To: Bill Gilligan; Miva Merchant Users
Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?


Just wanted to post this after FINALLY hearing back from Google.

We had almost 55,000 pages in the Google index from our Search Engine Killer
pages, CBS store map pages, plus all the static content pages from the
informational side of our site.

Now down to 904 and dropping. After quite a few emails to Google, we finally
got a response. They are absolutely not indexing ANY form of mirror or HTML
equivalent of dynamic pages. If content on pages is identical or even close,
forget about it!

It's either the dynamic pages, or ONE series of HTML pages. Have a mirror on
another domain? Google may not list your site at all unless (like us), you
also have a fair amount of content pages.

They would not get into algorythym specifics, but the bottom line is that we
had too many copies of our store in their index. Their solution was to get
rid OF ALL pages related to Merchant from our site. They said their spider
will now crawl the site starting at the index and will spider any links it
finds until content starts looking identical, then it will stop. It will be
at least two to six months after we "clean up our site and remove all forms
of mirror html pages before Google will start indexing new html pages
generated by our new PHP Frame solution (Sebenza Studios). As that solution
also prevents the spider from seeing standard mvc product and category
pages, it will work, but only after we get rid of our SEK pages and CBS
Store Map.

SEK, CBS store map and any other form of mirrored pages are a thing of the
past when it comes to Google. Either the PHP Frame solution we have or
Search Friendly links with dynamic Miva pages are the only way to fly. Get
rid of anything else fast!


Thank you

Dave Hauser, President
Aquarium Professionals Group


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Bill Gilligan
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 12:16 PM
To: Miva Merchant Users
Subject: [mru] OT: Google link?


Someone recently posted a link to a story about new changes at Google.

I have a client that has found his sales down, and google listing has
dropped bu thousands. Did they
drop thousands of pages?

Anyone have that link?

Bill

OT: Google link?



Aquapro wrote:
> SEK, CBS store map and any other form of mirrored pages are a thing of the
> past when it comes to Google. Either the PHP Frame solution we have or
> Search Friendly links with dynamic Miva pages are the only way to fly. Get
> rid of anything else fast!

Why would a store map be a problem? It gives you the link to every page
without having to dig down into the merchant.mvc dynamic pages in a
directory further down. The store map is in your root and links
directly to every category and product page in your store. Hence, every
store page will get indexed.

--
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Modules for eCommerce. Mail Mgr, Coupon, PayPal, Froogle/Yahoo feeds
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OT: Google link?



Dave,

Thanks for the update. This is good to know. Mirror pages on other domains
have always been the main problem not similar pages on the same domain. I
have had clients for over three years with sek and merchant pages indexed
but have not updated or used sek in over a year since optimizing merchant
pages is the way to go. I never removed the sek pages because they still
brought traffic. Looks like you got "lucky" as none of my current clients
have had drops "yet". The thing to do now is remove all sek pages but keep
your store map pages and change the links. Just download them and search
and replace the urls to the current format. You might also condider making
your 404 page the main sitemap page.

Jason


> Just wanted to post this after FINALLY hearing back from Google.
>
> We had almost 55,000 pages in the Google index from our Search Engine
Killer
> pages, CBS store map pages, plus all the static content pages from the
> informational side of our site.
>
> Now down to 904 and dropping. After quite a few emails to Google, we
finally
> got a response. They are absolutely not indexing ANY form of mirror or
HTML
> equivalent of dynamic pages. If content on pages is identical or even
close,
> forget about it!
>
> It's either the dynamic pages, or ONE series of HTML pages. Have a mirror
on
> another domain? Google may not list your site at all unless (like us), you
> also have a fair amount of content pages.
>
> They would not get into algorythym specifics, but the bottom line is that
we
> had too many copies of our store in their index. Their solution was to get
> rid OF ALL pages related to Merchant from our site. They said their spider
> will now crawl the site starting at the index and will spider any links it
> finds until content starts looking identical, then it will stop. It will
be
> at least two to six months after we "clean up our site and remove all
forms
> of mirror html pages before Google will start indexing new html pages
> generated by our new PHP Frame solution (Sebenza Studios). As that
solution
> also prevents the spider from seeing standard mvc product and category
> pages, it will work, but only after we get rid of our SEK pages and CBS
> Store Map.
>
> SEK, CBS store map and any other form of mirrored pages are a thing of the
> past when it comes to Google. Either the PHP Frame solution we have or
> Search Friendly links with dynamic Miva pages are the only way to fly. Get
> rid of anything else fast!
>
>
> Thank you
>
> Dave Hauser, President
> Aquarium Professionals Group
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Bill Gilligan
> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 12:16 PM
> To: Miva Merchant Users
> Subject: [mru] OT: Google link?
>
>
> Someone recently posted a link to a story about new changes at Google.
>
> I have a client that has found his sales down, and google listing has
> dropped bu thousands. Did they
> drop thousands of pages?
>
> Anyone have that link?
>
> Bill
>
>

OT: Google link?



I believe the problem is that Dave wants to use the new php framework urls
and not SFL links. Thus the sitemap pages would be a problem unless they
are downloaded and links changed.

Jason


> The CBS Store Map does not duplicate any information. It's simply a page
of
> links to product and category pages, like any other store map. I don't see
> how it would cause any trouble.
>
> Chuck
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected]
> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Aquapro
> > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 1:25 PM
> > To: Bill Gilligan; Miva Merchant Users
> > Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?
> >
> > Just wanted to post this after FINALLY hearing back from Google.
> >
> > We had almost 55,000 pages in the Google index from our
> > Search Engine Killer
> > pages, CBS store map pages, plus all the static content pages from the
> > informational side of our site.
> >
> > Now down to 904 and dropping. After quite a few emails to
> > Google, we finally
> > got a response. They are absolutely not indexing ANY form of
> > mirror or HTML
> > equivalent of dynamic pages. If content on pages is identical
> > or even close,
> > forget about it!
> >
> > It's either the dynamic pages, or ONE series of HTML pages.
> > Have a mirror on
> > another domain? Google may not list your site at all unless
> > (like us), you
> > also have a fair amount of content pages.
> >
> > They would not get into algorythym specifics, but the bottom
> > line is that we
> > had too many copies of our store in their index. Their
> > solution was to get
> > rid OF ALL pages related to Merchant from our site. They said
> > their spider
> > will now crawl the site starting at the index and will spider
> > any links it
> > finds until content starts looking identical, then it will
> > stop. It will be
> > at least two to six months after we "clean up our site and
> > remove all forms
> > of mirror html pages before Google will start indexing new html pages
> > generated by our new PHP Frame solution (Sebenza Studios). As
> > that solution
> > also prevents the spider from seeing standard mvc product and category
> > pages, it will work, but only after we get rid of our SEK
> > pages and CBS
> > Store Map.
> >
> > SEK, CBS store map and any other form of mirrored pages are a
> > thing of the
> > past when it comes to Google. Either the PHP Frame solution we have or
> > Search Friendly links with dynamic Miva pages are the only
> > way to fly. Get
> > rid of anything else fast!
> >
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> > Dave Hauser, President
> > Aquarium Professionals Group
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected]
> > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of
> > Bill Gilligan
> > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 12:16 PM
> > To: Miva Merchant Users
> > Subject: [mru] OT: Google link?
> >
> >
> > Someone recently posted a link to a story about new changes at Google.
> >
> > I have a client that has found his sales down, and google listing has
> > dropped bu thousands. Did they
> > drop thousands of pages?
> >
> > Anyone have that link?
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >

OT: Google link?



So true! Just giving one store owner's true story for any newbie out there.

There are many merchants who have purchased and implemented mirror creation
Miva modules which are still being sold. This change in Google's strategy
makes all of those solutions useless. The ONLY solution now is optimizing
existing Merchant pages.

We've been online since 1998. Those solutions were put in place originally
because Google and many other spiders could not read or properly index
dynamically generated pages. The dynamic pages they did index ranked lower.

We just weren't paying attention to changes made over the last two years.

I would advise anyone with the same problem to contact Google directly. It
will take them a while to get back to you but will give you a chance to
explain yourself so you don't get banned. In our case, simply deleting the
mirrors will be enough as we've been in their index for years.


Dave Hauser, President
Aquarium Professionals Group


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Keli E
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 1:32 PM
To: Miva Merchant Users
Subject: Re: [mru] OT: Google link?


Since time began, ANY time you had to go out of your way to apease the
search engines, it has been considered *spam* and banable.

--
Keli Etscorn, CEO
Bear Canyon Consulting, LLC
-----------------------------------------------
RealEstateAgentHouse.com Realtor Solutions
#1 in Google |Albuquerque Web Design
KeliE.com |Nationally Featured Design
BearCanyonSEO.com |Search Engine Optimization




Aquapro wrote:
>
> SEK, CBS store map and any other form of mirrored pages are a thing of the
> past when it comes to Google. Either the PHP Frame solution we have or
> Search Friendly links with dynamic Miva pages are the only way to fly. Get
> rid of anything else fast!

OT: Google link?



I created a static mirror of my site a many months ago. So far it's nowhere
to be found in Google but it does show up in other engines. I can't say they
penalized my dynamic site though. I use SFL and a .htaccess rewrites so the
only .mvc pages are secure https pages that don't get indexed anyway.

Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Aquapro
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 2:25 PM
To: Bill Gilligan; Miva Merchant Users
Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?

Just wanted to post this after FINALLY hearing back from Google.

We had almost 55,000 pages in the Google index from our Search Engine Killer
pages, CBS store map pages, plus all the static content pages from the
informational side of our site.

Now down to 904 and dropping. After quite a few emails to Google, we finally
got a response. They are absolutely not indexing ANY form of mirror or HTML
equivalent of dynamic pages. If content on pages is identical or even close,
forget about it!

It's either the dynamic pages, or ONE series of HTML pages. Have a mirror on
another domain? Google may not list your site at all unless (like us), you
also have a fair amount of content pages.

They would not get into algorythym specifics, but the bottom line is that we
had too many copies of our store in their index. Their solution was to get
rid OF ALL pages related to Merchant from our site. They said their spider
will now crawl the site starting at the index and will spider any links it
finds until content starts looking identical, then it will stop. It will be
at least two to six months after we "clean up our site and remove all forms
of mirror html pages before Google will start indexing new html pages
generated by our new PHP Frame solution (Sebenza Studios). As that solution
also prevents the spider from seeing standard mvc product and category
pages, it will work, but only after we get rid of our SEK pages and CBS
Store Map.

SEK, CBS store map and any other form of mirrored pages are a thing of the
past when it comes to Google. Either the PHP Frame solution we have or
Search Friendly links with dynamic Miva pages are the only way to fly. Get
rid of anything else fast!


Thank you

Dave Hauser, President
Aquarium Professionals Group


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Bill Gilligan
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 12:16 PM
To: Miva Merchant Users
Subject: [mru] OT: Google link?


Someone recently posted a link to a story about new changes at Google.

I have a client that has found his sales down, and google listing has
dropped bu thousands. Did they drop thousands of pages?

Anyone have that link?

Bill

OT: Google link?



The way I am given to understand it, NO. Not if the content in the three
sites is different, but that would not be mirroring. That would be linking!

If however all three of those sites sell the same products, have the same
product descriptions and the same categories (are in effect the same store),
then yes, according to Google, that could hurt you.

The article posted in this thread also hints that Google has tied into DNS
registration DBs and are looking at who owns sites that appear to have the
same content.



Dave Hauser, President
Aquarium Professionals Group


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Annie's
Maternity Corner
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 1:39 PM
To: Miva Merchant Users
Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?


So, if I have anniesbaby.com and rebelmaternity.com etc pointing to
maternitycorner.com that's going to hurt me in google???

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Anne Cavicchi
Annie's
106 - 402 Baker ST
Nelson, BC V1L4H8
250-354-2000
www.maternitycorner.com


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Aquapro
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 10:25 AM
To: Bill Gilligan; Miva Merchant Users
Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?


Just wanted to post this after FINALLY hearing back from Google.

We had almost 55,000 pages in the Google index from our Search Engine Killer
pages, CBS store map pages, plus all the static content pages from the
informational side of our site.

Now down to 904 and dropping. After quite a few emails to Google, we finally
got a response. They are absolutely not indexing ANY form of mirror or HTML
equivalent of dynamic pages. If content on pages is identical or even close,
forget about it!

It's either the dynamic pages, or ONE series of HTML pages. Have a mirror on
another domain? Google may not list your site at all unless (like us), you
also have a fair amount of content pages.

They would not get into algorythym specifics, but the bottom line is that we
had too many copies of our store in their index. Their solution was to get
rid OF ALL pages related to Merchant from our site. They said their spider
will now crawl the site starting at the index and will spider any links it
finds until content starts looking identical, then it will stop. It will be
at least two to six months after we "clean up our site and remove all forms
of mirror html pages before Google will start indexing new html pages
generated by our new PHP Frame solution (Sebenza Studios). As that solution
also prevents the spider from seeing standard mvc product and category
pages, it will work, but only after we get rid of our SEK pages and CBS
Store Map.

SEK, CBS store map and any other form of mirrored pages are a thing of the
past when it comes to Google. Either the PHP Frame solution we have or
Search Friendly links with dynamic Miva pages are the only way to fly. Get
rid of anything else fast!


Thank you

Dave Hauser, President
Aquarium Professionals Group


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Bill Gilligan
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 12:16 PM
To: Miva Merchant Users
Subject: [mru] OT: Google link?


Someone recently posted a link to a story about new changes at Google.

I have a client that has found his sales down, and google listing has
dropped bu thousands. Did they
drop thousands of pages?

Anyone have that link?

Bill

OT: Google link?



The other URLs just re-direct to my site -- they don't actually have any
pages of their own....

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Anne Cavicchi
Annie's
106 - 402 Baker ST
Nelson, BC V1L4H8
250-354-2000
www.maternitycorner.com


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Webmaster -
Aquariumpros.com
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 11:03 AM
To: Annie's Maternity Corner; Miva Merchant Users
Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?


The way I am given to understand it, NO. Not if the content in the three
sites is different, but that would not be mirroring. That would be linking!

If however all three of those sites sell the same products, have the same
product descriptions and the same categories (are in effect the same store),
then yes, according to Google, that could hurt you.

The article posted in this thread also hints that Google has tied into DNS
registration DBs and are looking at who owns sites that appear to have the
same content.



Dave Hauser, President
Aquarium Professionals Group


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Annie's
Maternity Corner
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 1:39 PM
To: Miva Merchant Users
Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?


So, if I have anniesbaby.com and rebelmaternity.com etc pointing to
maternitycorner.com that's going to hurt me in google???

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Anne Cavicchi
Annie's
106 - 402 Baker ST
Nelson, BC V1L4H8
250-354-2000
www.maternitycorner.com


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Aquapro
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 10:25 AM
To: Bill Gilligan; Miva Merchant Users
Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?


Just wanted to post this after FINALLY hearing back from Google.

We had almost 55,000 pages in the Google index from our Search Engine Killer
pages, CBS store map pages, plus all the static content pages from the
informational side of our site.

Now down to 904 and dropping. After quite a few emails to Google, we finally
got a response. They are absolutely not indexing ANY form of mirror or HTML
equivalent of dynamic pages. If content on pages is identical or even close,
forget about it!

It's either the dynamic pages, or ONE series of HTML pages. Have a mirror on
another domain? Google may not list your site at all unless (like us), you
also have a fair amount of content pages.

They would not get into algorythym specifics, but the bottom line is that we
had too many copies of our store in their index. Their solution was to get
rid OF ALL pages related to Merchant from our site. They said their spider
will now crawl the site starting at the index and will spider any links it
finds until content starts looking identical, then it will stop. It will be
at least two to six months after we "clean up our site and remove all forms
of mirror html pages before Google will start indexing new html pages
generated by our new PHP Frame solution (Sebenza Studios). As that solution
also prevents the spider from seeing standard mvc product and category
pages, it will work, but only after we get rid of our SEK pages and CBS
Store Map.

SEK, CBS store map and any other form of mirrored pages are a thing of the
past when it comes to Google. Either the PHP Frame solution we have or
Search Friendly links with dynamic Miva pages are the only way to fly. Get
rid of anything else fast!


Thank you

Dave Hauser, President
Aquarium Professionals Group


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Bill Gilligan
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 12:16 PM
To: Miva Merchant Users
Subject: [mru] OT: Google link?


Someone recently posted a link to a story about new changes at Google.

I have a client that has found his sales down, and google listing has
dropped bu thousands. Did they
drop thousands of pages?

Anyone have that link?

Bill

OT: Google link?



Thanks Jason for helping there, but NO!

That is not what I was given to understand. Mirrors located on the same
domain will not be indexed and the pages they mirror will not either. In
other words, if I have Miva pages using CBS SFL, and I also have a complete
list of SEK pages (which I do), even if I changed all the links and pages in
the SEK folders to match the SFL link style, NOTHING will be indexed until I
get rid of the SEK folder ALTOGETHER!

They are looking and comparing page content so if two pages on the site,
dynamically generated or not, both have the same wording for product
description, NEITHER version of that page will be indexed!

That at least is how it was explained to me.

"If content (text between html tags, images file names, etc.) of two pages
is identical within margins specified in our system, both pages will not be
indexed regardless of whether the pages have different titles or
extensions."

Or maybe we're both saying the same thing here. I think it's the SEK pages
that are the problem, and yes if the CBS storemap were changed with proper
link context, that would not be a problem at all.

Sebenza's solution also provided dynamically generated sitemap pages, so
it's goodbye to SEK, SFL and CBS Site Map. The Smarty templates use the CBS
Meta Tag fields and it looks like once we get those fields in order all will
be well.

If we can't get back on the bus with this solution, we'll be hiring you
Jason next, for some SEO work!


Dave Hauser, President
Aquarium Professionals Group


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Jason
Henderson
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 1:52 PM
To: [email protected]; 'Miva Merchant Users'
Subject: Re: [mru] OT: Google link?


I believe the problem is that Dave wants to use the new php framework urls
and not SFL links. Thus the sitemap pages would be a problem unless they
are downloaded and links changed.

Jason


> The CBS Store Map does not duplicate any information. It's simply a page
of
> links to product and category pages, like any other store map. I don't see
> how it would cause any trouble.
>
> Chuck
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected]
> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Aquapro
> > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 1:25 PM
> > To: Bill Gilligan; Miva Merchant Users
> > Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?
> >
> > Just wanted to post this after FINALLY hearing back from Google.
> >
> > We had almost 55,000 pages in the Google index from our
> > Search Engine Killer
> > pages, CBS store map pages, plus all the static content pages from the
> > informational side of our site.
> >
> > Now down to 904 and dropping. After quite a few emails to
> > Google, we finally
> > got a response. They are absolutely not indexing ANY form of
> > mirror or HTML
> > equivalent of dynamic pages. If content on pages is identical
> > or even close,
> > forget about it!
> >
> > It's either the dynamic pages, or ONE series of HTML pages.
> > Have a mirror on
> > another domain? Google may not list your site at all unless
> > (like us), you
> > also have a fair amount of content pages.
> >
> > They would not get into algorythym specifics, but the bottom
> > line is that we
> > had too many copies of our store in their index. Their
> > solution was to get
> > rid OF ALL pages related to Merchant from our site. They said
> > their spider
> > will now crawl the site starting at the index and will spider
> > any links it
> > finds until content starts looking identical, then it will
> > stop. It will be
> > at least two to six months after we "clean up our site and
> > remove all forms
> > of mirror html pages before Google will start indexing new html pages
> > generated by our new PHP Frame solution (Sebenza Studios). As
> > that solution
> > also prevents the spider from seeing standard mvc product and category
> > pages, it will work, but only after we get rid of our SEK
> > pages and CBS
> > Store Map.
> >
> > SEK, CBS store map and any other form of mirrored pages are a
> > thing of the
> > past when it comes to Google. Either the PHP Frame solution we have or
> > Search Friendly links with dynamic Miva pages are the only
> > way to fly. Get
> > rid of anything else fast!
> >
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> > Dave Hauser, President
> > Aquarium Professionals Group
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected]
> > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of
> > Bill Gilligan
> > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 12:16 PM
> > To: Miva Merchant Users
> > Subject: [mru] OT: Google link?
> >
> >
> > Someone recently posted a link to a story about new changes at Google.
> >
> > I have a client that has found his sales down, and google listing has
> > dropped bu thousands. Did they
> > drop thousands of pages?
> >
> > Anyone have that link?
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >

OT: Google link?



> Thanks Jason for helping there, but NO!

??? See below.

> That is not what I was given to understand. Mirrors located on the same
> domain will not be indexed and the pages they mirror will not either. In
> other words, if I have Miva pages using CBS SFL, and I also have a
complete
> list of SEK pages (which I do), even if I changed all the links and pages
in
> the SEK folders to match the SFL link style, NOTHING will be indexed until
I
> get rid of the SEK folder ALTOGETHER!

I told you to get rid of them.

> They are looking and comparing page content so if two pages on the site,
> dynamically generated or not, both have the same wording for product
> description, NEITHER version of that page will be indexed!
>
> That at least is how it was explained to me.
>
> "If content (text between html tags, images file names, etc.) of two pages
> is identical within margins specified in our system, both pages will not
be
> indexed regardless of whether the pages have different titles or
> extensions."
>
> Or maybe we're both saying the same thing here. I think it's the SEK pages
> that are the problem, and yes if the CBS storemap were changed with proper
> link context, that would not be a problem at all.

Yes, that is what I am saying.

> Sebenza's solution also provided dynamically generated sitemap pages, so
> it's goodbye to SEK, SFL and CBS Site Map. The Smarty templates use the
CBS
> Meta Tag fields and it looks like once we get those fields in order all
will
> be well.

Yes, that is all you need.

> If we can't get back on the bus with this solution, we'll be hiring you
> Jason next, for some SEO work!

Okay. I have a better sitemap solution as well that work with the new urls.

Jason

> Dave Hauser, President
> Aquarium Professionals Group
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Jason
> Henderson
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 1:52 PM
> To: [email protected]; 'Miva Merchant Users'
> Subject: Re: [mru] OT: Google link?
>
>
> I believe the problem is that Dave wants to use the new php framework urls
> and not SFL links. Thus the sitemap pages would be a problem unless they
> are downloaded and links changed.
>
> Jason
>
>
> > The CBS Store Map does not duplicate any information. It's simply a page
> of
> > links to product and category pages, like any other store map. I don't
see
> > how it would cause any trouble.
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [email protected]
> > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Aquapro
> > > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 1:25 PM
> > > To: Bill Gilligan; Miva Merchant Users
> > > Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?
> > >
> > > Just wanted to post this after FINALLY hearing back from Google.
> > >
> > > We had almost 55,000 pages in the Google index from our
> > > Search Engine Killer
> > > pages, CBS store map pages, plus all the static content pages from the
> > > informational side of our site.
> > >
> > > Now down to 904 and dropping. After quite a few emails to
> > > Google, we finally
> > > got a response. They are absolutely not indexing ANY form of
> > > mirror or HTML
> > > equivalent of dynamic pages. If content on pages is identical
> > > or even close,
> > > forget about it!
> > >
> > > It's either the dynamic pages, or ONE series of HTML pages.
> > > Have a mirror on
> > > another domain? Google may not list your site at all unless
> > > (like us), you
> > > also have a fair amount of content pages.
> > >
> > > They would not get into algorythym specifics, but the bottom
> > > line is that we
> > > had too many copies of our store in their index. Their
> > > solution was to get
> > > rid OF ALL pages related to Merchant from our site. They said
> > > their spider
> > > will now crawl the site starting at the index and will spider
> > > any links it
> > > finds until content starts looking identical, then it will
> > > stop. It will be
> > > at least two to six months after we "clean up our site and
> > > remove all forms
> > > of mirror html pages before Google will start indexing new html pages
> > > generated by our new PHP Frame solution (Sebenza Studios). As
> > > that solution
> > > also prevents the spider from seeing standard mvc product and category
> > > pages, it will work, but only after we get rid of our SEK
> > > pages and CBS
> > > Store Map.
> > >
> > > SEK, CBS store map and any other form of mirrored pages are a
> > > thing of the
> > > past when it comes to Google. Either the PHP Frame solution we have or
> > > Search Friendly links with dynamic Miva pages are the only
> > > way to fly. Get
> > > rid of anything else fast!
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you
> > >
> > > Dave Hauser, President
> > > Aquarium Professionals Group
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [email protected]
> > > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of
> > > Bill Gilligan
> > > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 12:16 PM
> > > To: Miva Merchant Users
> > > Subject: [mru] OT: Google link?
> > >
> > >
> > > Someone recently posted a link to a story about new changes at Google.
> > >
> > > I have a client that has found his sales down, and google listing has
> > > dropped bu thousands. Did they
> > > drop thousands of pages?
> > >
> > > Anyone have that link?
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >

OT: Google link?



Thansk for the tips Jason. You're the SEO man!


Dave Hauser, President
Aquarium Professionals Group


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Jason
Henderson
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 1:49 PM
To: Aquapro; Miva Merchant Users
Subject: Re: [mru] OT: Google link?


Dave,

Thanks for the update. This is good to know. Mirror pages on other domains
have always been the main problem not similar pages on the same domain. I
have had clients for over three years with sek and merchant pages indexed
but have not updated or used sek in over a year since optimizing merchant
pages is the way to go. I never removed the sek pages because they still
brought traffic. Looks like you got "lucky" as none of my current clients
have had drops "yet". The thing to do now is remove all sek pages but keep
your store map pages and change the links. Just download them and search
and replace the urls to the current format. You might also condider making
your 404 page the main sitemap page.

Jason


> Just wanted to post this after FINALLY hearing back from Google.
>
> We had almost 55,000 pages in the Google index from our Search Engine
Killer
> pages, CBS store map pages, plus all the static content pages from the
> informational side of our site.
>
> Now down to 904 and dropping. After quite a few emails to Google, we
finally
> got a response. They are absolutely not indexing ANY form of mirror or
HTML
> equivalent of dynamic pages. If content on pages is identical or even
close,
> forget about it!
>
> It's either the dynamic pages, or ONE series of HTML pages. Have a mirror
on
> another domain? Google may not list your site at all unless (like us), you
> also have a fair amount of content pages.
>
> They would not get into algorythym specifics, but the bottom line is that
we
> had too many copies of our store in their index. Their solution was to get
> rid OF ALL pages related to Merchant from our site. They said their spider
> will now crawl the site starting at the index and will spider any links it
> finds until content starts looking identical, then it will stop. It will
be
> at least two to six months after we "clean up our site and remove all
forms
> of mirror html pages before Google will start indexing new html pages
> generated by our new PHP Frame solution (Sebenza Studios). As that
solution
> also prevents the spider from seeing standard mvc product and category
> pages, it will work, but only after we get rid of our SEK pages and CBS
> Store Map.
>
> SEK, CBS store map and any other form of mirrored pages are a thing of the
> past when it comes to Google. Either the PHP Frame solution we have or
> Search Friendly links with dynamic Miva pages are the only way to fly. Get
> rid of anything else fast!
>
>
> Thank you
>
> Dave Hauser, President
> Aquarium Professionals Group
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Bill Gilligan
> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 12:16 PM
> To: Miva Merchant Users
> Subject: [mru] OT: Google link?
>
>
> Someone recently posted a link to a story about new changes at Google.
>
> I have a client that has found his sales down, and google listing has
> dropped bu thousands. Did they
> drop thousands of pages?
>
> Anyone have that link?
>
> Bill
>
>

OT: Google link?



Uhm, I hope there's nothing wrong with THAT! Yeesh! We have ten domains with
nothing on them pointing to aquariumpros.com.

Dave Hauser, President
Aquarium Professionals Group


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Annie's
Maternity Corner
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 2:10 PM
To: Miva Merchant Users
Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?


The other URLs just re-direct to my site -- they don't actually have any
pages of their own....

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Anne Cavicchi
Annie's
106 - 402 Baker ST
Nelson, BC V1L4H8
250-354-2000
www.maternitycorner.com


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Webmaster -
Aquariumpros.com
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 11:03 AM
To: Annie's Maternity Corner; Miva Merchant Users
Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?


The way I am given to understand it, NO. Not if the content in the three
sites is different, but that would not be mirroring. That would be linking!

If however all three of those sites sell the same products, have the same
product descriptions and the same categories (are in effect the same store),
then yes, according to Google, that could hurt you.

The article posted in this thread also hints that Google has tied into DNS
registration DBs and are looking at who owns sites that appear to have the
same content.



Dave Hauser, President
Aquarium Professionals Group


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Annie's
Maternity Corner
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 1:39 PM
To: Miva Merchant Users
Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?


So, if I have anniesbaby.com and rebelmaternity.com etc pointing to
maternitycorner.com that's going to hurt me in google???

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Anne Cavicchi
Annie's
106 - 402 Baker ST
Nelson, BC V1L4H8
250-354-2000
www.maternitycorner.com


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Aquapro
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 10:25 AM
To: Bill Gilligan; Miva Merchant Users
Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?


Just wanted to post this after FINALLY hearing back from Google.

We had almost 55,000 pages in the Google index from our Search Engine Killer
pages, CBS store map pages, plus all the static content pages from the
informational side of our site.

Now down to 904 and dropping. After quite a few emails to Google, we finally
got a response. They are absolutely not indexing ANY form of mirror or HTML
equivalent of dynamic pages. If content on pages is identical or even close,
forget about it!

It's either the dynamic pages, or ONE series of HTML pages. Have a mirror on
another domain? Google may not list your site at all unless (like us), you
also have a fair amount of content pages.

They would not get into algorythym specifics, but the bottom line is that we
had too many copies of our store in their index. Their solution was to get
rid OF ALL pages related to Merchant from our site. They said their spider
will now crawl the site starting at the index and will spider any links it
finds until content starts looking identical, then it will stop. It will be
at least two to six months after we "clean up our site and remove all forms
of mirror html pages before Google will start indexing new html pages
generated by our new PHP Frame solution (Sebenza Studios). As that solution
also prevents the spider from seeing standard mvc product and category
pages, it will work, but only after we get rid of our SEK pages and CBS
Store Map.

SEK, CBS store map and any other form of mirrored pages are a thing of the
past when it comes to Google. Either the PHP Frame solution we have or
Search Friendly links with dynamic Miva pages are the only way to fly. Get
rid of anything else fast!


Thank you

Dave Hauser, President
Aquarium Professionals Group


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Bill Gilligan
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 12:16 PM
To: Miva Merchant Users
Subject: [mru] OT: Google link?


Someone recently posted a link to a story about new changes at Google.

I have a client that has found his sales down, and google listing has
dropped bu thousands. Did they
drop thousands of pages?

Anyone have that link?

Bill

OT: Google link?



Pointing is actually fine. Just don't market them to the search engines.

Jason


> Uhm, I hope there's nothing wrong with THAT! Yeesh! We have ten domains
with
> nothing on them pointing to aquariumpros.com.
>
> Dave Hauser, President
> Aquarium Professionals Group
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Annie's
> Maternity Corner
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 2:10 PM
> To: Miva Merchant Users
> Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?
>
>
> The other URLs just re-direct to my site -- they don't actually have any
> pages of their own....
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Anne Cavicchi
> Annie's
> 106 - 402 Baker ST
> Nelson, BC V1L4H8
> 250-354-2000
> www.maternitycorner.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Webmaster -
> Aquariumpros.com
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 11:03 AM
> To: Annie's Maternity Corner; Miva Merchant Users
> Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?
>
>
> The way I am given to understand it, NO. Not if the content in the three
> sites is different, but that would not be mirroring. That would be
linking!
>
> If however all three of those sites sell the same products, have the same
> product descriptions and the same categories (are in effect the same
store),
> then yes, according to Google, that could hurt you.
>
> The article posted in this thread also hints that Google has tied into DNS
> registration DBs and are looking at who owns sites that appear to have the
> same content.
>
>
>
> Dave Hauser, President
> Aquarium Professionals Group
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Annie's
> Maternity Corner
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 1:39 PM
> To: Miva Merchant Users
> Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?
>
>
> So, if I have anniesbaby.com and rebelmaternity.com etc pointing to
> maternitycorner.com that's going to hurt me in google???
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Anne Cavicchi
> Annie's
> 106 - 402 Baker ST
> Nelson, BC V1L4H8
> 250-354-2000
> www.maternitycorner.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Aquapro
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 10:25 AM
> To: Bill Gilligan; Miva Merchant Users
> Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?
>
>
> Just wanted to post this after FINALLY hearing back from Google.
>
> We had almost 55,000 pages in the Google index from our Search Engine
Killer
> pages, CBS store map pages, plus all the static content pages from the
> informational side of our site.
>
> Now down to 904 and dropping. After quite a few emails to Google, we
finally
> got a response. They are absolutely not indexing ANY form of mirror or
HTML
> equivalent of dynamic pages. If content on pages is identical or even
close,
> forget about it!
>
> It's either the dynamic pages, or ONE series of HTML pages. Have a mirror
on
> another domain? Google may not list your site at all unless (like us), you
> also have a fair amount of content pages.
>
> They would not get into algorythym specifics, but the bottom line is that
we
> had too many copies of our store in their index. Their solution was to get
> rid OF ALL pages related to Merchant from our site. They said their spider
> will now crawl the site starting at the index and will spider any links it
> finds until content starts looking identical, then it will stop. It will
be
> at least two to six months after we "clean up our site and remove all
forms
> of mirror html pages before Google will start indexing new html pages
> generated by our new PHP Frame solution (Sebenza Studios). As that
solution
> also prevents the spider from seeing standard mvc product and category
> pages, it will work, but only after we get rid of our SEK pages and CBS
> Store Map.
>
> SEK, CBS store map and any other form of mirrored pages are a thing of the
> past when it comes to Google. Either the PHP Frame solution we have or
> Search Friendly links with dynamic Miva pages are the only way to fly. Get
> rid of anything else fast!
>
>
> Thank you
>
> Dave Hauser, President
> Aquarium Professionals Group
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Bill Gilligan
> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 12:16 PM
> To: Miva Merchant Users
> Subject: [mru] OT: Google link?
>
>
> Someone recently posted a link to a story about new changes at Google.
>
> I have a client that has found his sales down, and google listing has
> dropped bu thousands. Did they
> drop thousands of pages?
>
> Anyone have that link?
>
> Bill
>
>