OT: Google link?

OT: Google link?




>I don't know anyone has tried this, but I've always thought upselling would
>be far more effective if you could do it on the basket page instead of (or
>in addition to) the checkout process.

I just announced a new module about a week ago, that should be just about
what you're looking for. Here's a repeat of the original email:
================================================== ===========================
Hi folks --

I know a lot of you are looking for a more flexible way to provide upsales
& similar discounts for your customers. This new module should be just
what you need. Upsale Magic allows you to set up discounts with many
variations on the theme of, "buy X, get a special price on Y."

Messages describing the discounts are displayed to the customer as soon as
they view any product or catgeory for which a discount is available. Many
store managers will find this to be a vast improvement over Miva's upsale
feature, which does not display the special offer until a customer is
checking out of the store.

The module's essential features are:

- Both "X" and "Y" can be a single product, or a list of products; or the
discount can apply to all products in one or more categories.
- The discount can be set to offer a dollar amount, a percentage, or an
alternate price for the item.
- You can optionally set a limit on the number of "Y" items for which the
discount will apply.
- You can set up many different discounts for various products.
- The location of the discount messages can be specified by using tokens
for OpenUI or for template modules.
- Module settings allow you to customize the message text and add HTML
formatting.

The module is available at MivaCentral.com for Merchant version 4.x,
compiled or uncompiled:

http://mivacentral.com/MMP/?product=MMP-UPSLMAGIC

You must have either OpenUI or template modules (Viking, Copernicus, etc.)
to enable the message display (or, of course, you can customize your MMUI).
================================================== ===========================



Kent Multer | /| P.O.Box 701895, Dallas TX 75370
Magic Metal Productions | / | (214) 570 8264 voice/fax
| | [email protected]
* Web developer/designer http://TheMagicM.com
* E-commerce and Miva
* Author, The Official Miva Web Scripting Book -- available on-line:
<A HREF ="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0966103211/magicmetalproducA">http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0966103211/magicmetalproducA</A>

OT: Google link?



Hmmm.

Julie,

Did you have content on those other domains or did you just have your host
pointing those domains to your active domain with content?

I'm still confused about this. As I said, I have Hostasaurus pointing
several other domains (mostly variations of aquariumpros like
aquariumpros.org, aquariumpros.tv, etc.) to our main domain
(aquariumpros.com). However, those are not "live" domains with content.

Is that what you had and if so, how did you implement the 301 on the other
domains if they weren't live sites with editable content?

My understanding from the article that started this whole thread and my
coorespondence with Google is their new system does look at DNS info such as
ownership of domains as part of their ranking system. So a link or non 301
redirect from an active domain to another active domain with both domains
owned by the same party will lower ranking.

Thank you

Dave Hauser, President
Aquarium Professionals Group


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Julie
Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 11:45 AM
To: Bruce Golub - Phosphormedia.com
Cc: 'Miva Merchant Users'
Subject: Re: [mru] OT: Google link?


Obviously only Google knows for sure and anything else is pure
speculation, but will not disregard the possibility as I have read too
many anecdotal experiences with Google purging duplicate content
*within* the same domain. And my experience, I was using the name
servers (DNS pointing) to direct another domain to my main domain. And
within few weeks, the steady rankings my site once had were gone from
Google. I wasn't banned (the toolbar still showed a PR for my site, and
a "site:www.domain.com" did bring up all my pages within Google), BUT
any steady rankings I once enjoyed were literally gone. Even a search
for my business name, my site was not ranked well after the DNS
pointing. Once I implemented a 301 on the other domain rather than a
DNS redirect, my rankings returned. Thus, it leads me to never discount
what Google defines duplicate content as.

To that end, I am glad that Dave brought to our attention that dynamic
links and SFL can possibly be construed as duplicate content.

Which leads me back to my original question several posts ago; will
disallowing robots from spidering /miva/ or /merchant2/ directorys
(however the host has it set up) block the spiders from indexing SFL too?

Julie

Bruce Golub - Phosphormedia.com wrote:
>>-----Original Message-----

>>
>>So this renders Merchant Optimizer worthless???? And dump
>>static "doorway"
>>pages? Use just what Miva Merchant generates? Only have
>>static informational pages? What a week to head to NYC -
>>guess I should be a the conference that is going on next to
>>the Streaming Media - Google is one of teh sponsors
>>there....didn't see FindWhat listed though.
>>
>>Leslie <-- is ready to freakin scream.
>
>
> First of all, absolutly not, second of all, absolutely not<G>.
>
> Also, I think some are confusing "mirror" sites with "mirror" pages. I'm
not
> certain, but pretty sure that Google, or any search engine for that
matter,
> does not penelize for duplicate "pages" under the same domain...that would
> just be silly. What they are penalizing are duplicate pages, under
different
> domains. For example, www.ThisIsTheRealSite.com/rankme.html being exactly
> the same as www.ThisIsAnotherSite.com/rankthis.html.
>
> The only real reason to block /Merchant2 links when using Optimizer is to
> prevent SE spiders from hammering your store. When crawling a site, they
can
> be generating anywhere from 10 to 100 requests per second. (I suspect a
lot
> of those "all of a sudden my site is slow" posts are simply SE spider
> visits.)
>
> Sorry if I fell into the same rabbit hole as others last night, it was
late
> and a long day.
>
> -Bruce Golub
> PHOSPHOR Media
> ......................................
> Featuring: StoreMan - A smarter way to manage Miva Merchant(tm) Store
> Content.
> Download a hassle-free demo today
> <A HREF ="http://www.phosphormedia.com/go.mv?ID=listsm">http://www.phosphormedia.com/go.mv?ID=listsm</A>
> ......................................
>
>
>
>

OT: Google link?



> Also, I think some are confusing "mirror" sites with "mirror" pages. I'm
not
> certain, but pretty sure that Google, or any search engine for that
matter,
> does not penelize for duplicate "pages" under the same domain...that would
> just be silly. What they are penalizing are duplicate pages, under
different
> domains. For example, www.ThisIsTheRealSite.com/rankme.html being exactly
> the same as www.ThisIsAnotherSite.com/rankthis.html.

Bruce,

Did you miss Dave's post yesterday? Google indeed is now penalizing for
duplicate content on the same domain.

Jason




>
> The only real reason to block /Merchant2 links when using Optimizer is to
> prevent SE spiders from hammering your store. When crawling a site, they
can
> be generating anywhere from 10 to 100 requests per second. (I suspect a
lot
> of those "all of a sudden my site is slow" posts are simply SE spider
> visits.)
>
> Sorry if I fell into the same rabbit hole as others last night, it was
late
> and a long day.
>
> -Bruce Golub
> PHOSPHOR Media
> ......................................
> Featuring: StoreMan - A smarter way to manage Miva Merchant(tm) Store
> Content.
> Download a hassle-free demo today
> <A HREF ="http://www.phosphormedia.com/go.mv?ID=listsm">http://www.phosphormedia.com/go.mv?ID=listsm</A>
> ......................................
>
>
>
>
> --
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.11 - Release Date: 5/16/2005
>
>
>

OT: Google link?



We're using Search Friendly Links, Meta Tag Generator and Search Friendly
Store Map all by CBS.

After reading this thread we're wondering what we need to do...

According to the SFL manual: "... adding the .htaccess rewrite rule will
take the ' directory' link and rewrite the request to meet the SFL style
on-the-fly as requests come in. Search engines will only see the static
link, not the rewritten link as this process is handled within your web
server"

If this is true than the URLs created by SFL and SF Store Map should be OK
as Google won't see the Miva dynamic URLs, (along with the SFL and SF Store
Map URLs), and penalize us for duplicate sites... right????????

Thanks!
Lori

------------------


On 5/16/05 6:44 PM, "Jason Henderson" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Same thing. There will be what "appears" to be two different pages with the
> exact same content. Banning /Merchant2/ directory "should" not affect
> rewritten urls via .htaccess such as SFL but don't quote me on that.
>
> Jason
>
>
>> I tried to follow the entire thread and didn't see this asked. If so, I
>> apologize. What happens if your site has both SFL and normal links to the
>> same page? Will this cause issues?
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Webmaster -
>> Aquariumpros.com
>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 2:20 PM
>> To: Annie's Maternity Corner; Miva Merchant Users
>> Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?
>>
>>
>> Uhm, I hope there's nothing wrong with THAT! Yeesh! We have ten domains
> with
>> nothing on them pointing to aquariumpros.com.
>>
>> Dave Hauser, President
>> Aquarium Professionals Group
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Annie's
>> Maternity Corner
>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 2:10 PM
>> To: Miva Merchant Users
>> Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?
>>
>>
>> The other URLs just re-direct to my site -- they don't actually have any
>> pages of their own....
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Anne Cavicchi
>> Annie's
>> 106 - 402 Baker ST
>> Nelson, BC V1L4H8
>> 250-354-2000
>> www.maternitycorner.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Webmaster -
>> Aquariumpros.com
>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 11:03 AM
>> To: Annie's Maternity Corner; Miva Merchant Users
>> Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?
>>
>>
>> The way I am given to understand it, NO. Not if the content in the three
>> sites is different, but that would not be mirroring. That would be
> linking!
>>
>> If however all three of those sites sell the same products, have the same
>> product descriptions and the same categories (are in effect the same
> store),
>> then yes, according to Google, that could hurt you.
>>
>> The article posted in this thread also hints that Google has tied into DNS
>> registration DBs and are looking at who owns sites that appear to have the
>> same content.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave Hauser, President
>> Aquarium Professionals Group
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Annie's
>> Maternity Corner
>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 1:39 PM
>> To: Miva Merchant Users
>> Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?
>>
>>
>> So, if I have anniesbaby.com and rebelmaternity.com etc pointing to
>> maternitycorner.com that's going to hurt me in google???
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Anne Cavicchi
>> Annie's
>> 106 - 402 Baker ST
>> Nelson, BC V1L4H8
>> 250-354-2000
>> www.maternitycorner.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Aquapro
>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 10:25 AM
>> To: Bill Gilligan; Miva Merchant Users
>> Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?
>>
>>
>> Just wanted to post this after FINALLY hearing back from Google.
>>
>> We had almost 55,000 pages in the Google index from our Search Engine
> Killer
>> pages, CBS store map pages, plus all the static content pages from the
>> informational side of our site.
>>
>> Now down to 904 and dropping. After quite a few emails to Google, we
> finally
>> got a response. They are absolutely not indexing ANY form of mirror or
> HTML
>> equivalent of dynamic pages. If content on pages is identical or even
> close,
>> forget about it!
>>
>> It's either the dynamic pages, or ONE series of HTML pages. Have a mirror
> on
>> another domain? Google may not list your site at all unless (like us), you
>> also have a fair amount of content pages.
>>
>> They would not get into algorythym specifics, but the bottom line is that
> we
>> had too many copies of our store in their index. Their solution was to get
>> rid OF ALL pages related to Merchant from our site. They said their spider
>> will now crawl the site starting at the index and will spider any links it
>> finds until content starts looking identical, then it will stop. It will
> be
>> at least two to six months after we "clean up our site and remove all
> forms
>> of mirror html pages before Google will start indexing new html pages
>> generated by our new PHP Frame solution (Sebenza Studios). As that
> solution
>> also prevents the spider from seeing standard mvc product and category
>> pages, it will work, but only after we get rid of our SEK pages and CBS
>> Store Map.
>>
>> SEK, CBS store map and any other form of mirrored pages are a thing of the
>> past when it comes to Google. Either the PHP Frame solution we have or
>> Search Friendly links with dynamic Miva pages are the only way to fly. Get
>> rid of anything else fast!
>>
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> Dave Hauser, President
>> Aquarium Professionals Group
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Bill Gilligan
>> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 12:16 PM
>> To: Miva Merchant Users
>> Subject: [mru] OT: Google link?
>>
>>
>> Someone recently posted a link to a story about new changes at Google.
>>
>> I have a client that has found his sales down, and google listing has
>> dropped bu thousands. Did they
>> drop thousands of pages?
>>
>> Anyone have that link?
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>

OT: Google link?



You need to stick with one linking style and get rid of the rest and block
google, etc. from hitting other types of links from the one you are using.
It was never the way to do it. Just a part of the process.

Jason


> Can someone "nutshell" this for me? I'm out of town, find these posts,
> have a project I desperately trying to finish that uses, static pages,
> Merchant Optimizer and the CBS SFL Suite. Bottom line, am I screwed? The
> site has tons on links to products within the site. I thought this used to
> be the way to do this? Have the rules just changed again?
>
> FWIW - I have suggested more than once that the client use Jason's
services.
>
> Leslie
>
>
> >> > Depends on whether you have regular links elsewhere to products or
> >> > categories. If you have zero, than no problem. Might as well do it
> > just to be sure.
> >
> > Jason
> >
> >
> >> ---------------------------
> >>
> >> Great!
> >>
> >> So we don't need to use a robot.txt file either? I've seen this in some
> >> other posts on this thread so I just want to be sure. :-)
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >> Lori
> >>
> >> ----------------------------
> >>
> >> On 5/16/05 7:41 PM, "Jason Henderson" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Depends on whether you have regular links elsewhere to products or
> >> > categories. If you have zero, than no problem.
> >> >
> >> > Jason
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> We're using Search Friendly Links, Meta Tag Generator and Search
> > Friendly
> >> >> Store Map all by CBS.
> >> >>
> >> >> After reading this thread we're wondering what we need to do...
> >> >>
> >> >> According to the SFL manual: "... adding the .htaccess rewrite rule
> > will
> >> >> take the ' directory' link and rewrite the request to meet the SFL
> > style
> >> >> on-the-fly as requests come in. Search engines will only see the
> >> static
> >> >> link, not the rewritten link as this process is handled within your
> >> web
> >> >> server"
> >> >>
> >> >> If this is true than the URLs created by SFL and SF Store Map should
> >> be
> > OK
> >> >> as Google won't see the Miva dynamic URLs, (along with the SFL and
SF
> >> > Store
> >> >> Map URLs), and penalize us for duplicate sites... right????????
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks!
> >> >> Lori
> >> >>
> >> >> ------------------
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 5/16/05 6:44 PM, "Jason Henderson" <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Same thing. There will be what "appears" to be two different pages
> > with
> >> > the
> >> >>> exact same content. Banning /Merchant2/ directory "should" not
> >> affect
> >> >>> rewritten urls via .htaccess such as SFL but don't quote me on
that.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Jason
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> I tried to follow the entire thread and didn't see this asked. If
> > so,
> >> > I
> >> >>>> apologize. What happens if your site has both SFL and normal
links
> > to
> >> > the
> >> >>>> same page? Will this cause issues?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Paul
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>>> From: [email protected]
> >> >>>> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of
> > Webmaster -
> >> >>>> Aquariumpros.com
> >> >>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 2:20 PM
> >> >>>> To: Annie's Maternity Corner; Miva Merchant Users
> >> >>>> Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Uhm, I hope there's nothing wrong with THAT! Yeesh! We have ten
> > domains
> >> >>> with
> >> >>>> nothing on them pointing to aquariumpros.com.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Dave Hauser, President
> >> >>>> Aquarium Professionals Group
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>>> From: [email protected]
> >> >>>> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Annie's
> >> >>>> Maternity Corner
> >> >>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 2:10 PM
> >> >>>> To: Miva Merchant Users
> >> >>>> Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> The other URLs just re-direct to my site -- they don't actually
> >> have
> >> > any
> >> >>>> pages of their own....
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> >>>> Anne Cavicchi
> >> >>>> Annie's
> >> >>>> 106 - 402 Baker ST
> >> >>>> Nelson, BC V1L4H8
> >> >>>> 250-354-2000
> >> >>>> www.maternitycorner.com
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>>> From: [email protected]
> >> >>>> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of
> > Webmaster -
> >> >>>> Aquariumpros.com
> >> >>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 11:03 AM
> >> >>>> To: Annie's Maternity Corner; Miva Merchant Users
> >> >>>> Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> The way I am given to understand it, NO. Not if the content in the
> >> > three
> >> >>>> sites is different, but that would not be mirroring. That would be
> >> >>> linking!
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> If however all three of those sites sell the same products, have
> >> the
> >> > same
> >> >>>> product descriptions and the same categories (are in effect the
> >> same
> >> >>> store),
> >> >>>> then yes, according to Google, that could hurt you.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> The article posted in this thread also hints that Google has tied
> > into
> >> > DNS
> >> >>>> registration DBs and are looking at who owns sites that appear to
> > have
> >> > the
> >> >>>> same content.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Dave Hauser, President
> >> >>>> Aquarium Professionals Group
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>>> From: [email protected]
> >> >>>> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Annie's
> >> >>>> Maternity Corner
> >> >>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 1:39 PM
> >> >>>> To: Miva Merchant Users
> >> >>>> Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> So, if I have anniesbaby.com and rebelmaternity.com etc pointing
to
> >> >>>> maternitycorner.com that's going to hurt me in google???
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> >>>> Anne Cavicchi
> >> >>>> Annie's
> >> >>>> 106 - 402 Baker ST
> >> >>>> Nelson, BC V1L4H8
> >> >>>> 250-354-2000
> >> >>>> www.maternitycorner.com
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>>> From: [email protected]
> >> >>>> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Aquapro
> >> >>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 10:25 AM
> >> >>>> To: Bill Gilligan; Miva Merchant Users
> >> >>>> Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Just wanted to post this after FINALLY hearing back from Google.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> We had almost 55,000 pages in the Google index from our Search
> >> Engine
> >> >>> Killer
> >> >>>> pages, CBS store map pages, plus all the static content pages from
> > the
> >> >>>> informational side of our site.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Now down to 904 and dropping. After quite a few emails to Google,
> >> we
> >> >>> finally
> >> >>>> got a response. They are absolutely not indexing ANY form of
mirror
> > or
> >> >>> HTML
> >> >>>> equivalent of dynamic pages. If content on pages is identical or
> >> even
> >> >>> close,
> >> >>>> forget about it!
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> It's either the dynamic pages, or ONE series of HTML pages. Have a
> >> > mirror
> >> >>> on
> >> >>>> another domain? Google may not list your site at all unless (like
> > us),
> >> > you
> >> >>>> also have a fair amount of content pages.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> They would not get into algorythym specifics, but the bottom line
> >> is
> >> > that
> >> >>> we
> >> >>>> had too many copies of our store in their index. Their solution
was
> > to
> >> > get
> >> >>>> rid OF ALL pages related to Merchant from our site. They said
their
> >> > spider
> >> >>>> will now crawl the site starting at the index and will spider any
> > links
> >> > it
> >> >>>> finds until content starts looking identical, then it will stop.
It
> >> > will
> >> >>> be
> >> >>>> at least two to six months after we "clean up our site and remove
> >> all
> >> >>> forms
> >> >>>> of mirror html pages before Google will start indexing new html
> >> pages
> >> >>>> generated by our new PHP Frame solution (Sebenza Studios). As that
> >> >>> solution
> >> >>>> also prevents the spider from seeing standard mvc product and
> > category
> >> >>>> pages, it will work, but only after we get rid of our SEK pages
and
> > CBS
> >> >>>> Store Map.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> SEK, CBS store map and any other form of mirrored pages are a
thing
> > of
> >> > the
> >> >>>> past when it comes to Google. Either the PHP Frame solution we
have
> > or
> >> >>>> Search Friendly links with dynamic Miva pages are the only way to
> > fly.
> >> > Get
> >> >>>> rid of anything else fast!
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Thank you
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Dave Hauser, President
> >> >>>> Aquarium Professionals Group
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>>> From: [email protected]
> >> >>>> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Bill
> >> > Gilligan
> >> >>>> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 12:16 PM
> >> >>>> To: Miva Merchant Users
> >> >>>> Subject: [mru] OT: Google link?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Someone recently posted a link to a story about new changes at
> > Google.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I have a client that has found his sales down, and google listing
> >> has
> >> >>>> dropped bu thousands. Did they
> >> >>>> drop thousands of pages?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Anyone have that link?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Bill
> >> >>>>
>
>
>

OT: Google link?



Depends on whether you have regular links elsewhere to products or
categories. If you have zero, than no problem.

Jason


> We're using Search Friendly Links, Meta Tag Generator and Search Friendly
> Store Map all by CBS.
>
> After reading this thread we're wondering what we need to do...
>
> According to the SFL manual: "... adding the .htaccess rewrite rule will
> take the ' directory' link and rewrite the request to meet the SFL style
> on-the-fly as requests come in. Search engines will only see the static
> link, not the rewritten link as this process is handled within your web
> server"
>
> If this is true than the URLs created by SFL and SF Store Map should be OK
> as Google won't see the Miva dynamic URLs, (along with the SFL and SF
Store
> Map URLs), and penalize us for duplicate sites... right????????
>
> Thanks!
> Lori
>
> ------------------
>
>
> On 5/16/05 6:44 PM, "Jason Henderson" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Same thing. There will be what "appears" to be two different pages with
the
> > exact same content. Banning /Merchant2/ directory "should" not affect
> > rewritten urls via .htaccess such as SFL but don't quote me on that.
> >
> > Jason
> >
> >
> >> I tried to follow the entire thread and didn't see this asked. If so,
I
> >> apologize. What happens if your site has both SFL and normal links to
the
> >> same page? Will this cause issues?
> >>
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [email protected]
> >> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Webmaster -
> >> Aquariumpros.com
> >> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 2:20 PM
> >> To: Annie's Maternity Corner; Miva Merchant Users
> >> Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?
> >>
> >>
> >> Uhm, I hope there's nothing wrong with THAT! Yeesh! We have ten domains
> > with
> >> nothing on them pointing to aquariumpros.com.
> >>
> >> Dave Hauser, President
> >> Aquarium Professionals Group
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [email protected]
> >> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Annie's
> >> Maternity Corner
> >> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 2:10 PM
> >> To: Miva Merchant Users
> >> Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?
> >>
> >>
> >> The other URLs just re-direct to my site -- they don't actually have
any
> >> pages of their own....
> >>
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> Anne Cavicchi
> >> Annie's
> >> 106 - 402 Baker ST
> >> Nelson, BC V1L4H8
> >> 250-354-2000
> >> www.maternitycorner.com
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [email protected]
> >> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Webmaster -
> >> Aquariumpros.com
> >> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 11:03 AM
> >> To: Annie's Maternity Corner; Miva Merchant Users
> >> Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?
> >>
> >>
> >> The way I am given to understand it, NO. Not if the content in the
three
> >> sites is different, but that would not be mirroring. That would be
> > linking!
> >>
> >> If however all three of those sites sell the same products, have the
same
> >> product descriptions and the same categories (are in effect the same
> > store),
> >> then yes, according to Google, that could hurt you.
> >>
> >> The article posted in this thread also hints that Google has tied into
DNS
> >> registration DBs and are looking at who owns sites that appear to have
the
> >> same content.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Dave Hauser, President
> >> Aquarium Professionals Group
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [email protected]
> >> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Annie's
> >> Maternity Corner
> >> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 1:39 PM
> >> To: Miva Merchant Users
> >> Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?
> >>
> >>
> >> So, if I have anniesbaby.com and rebelmaternity.com etc pointing to
> >> maternitycorner.com that's going to hurt me in google???
> >>
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> Anne Cavicchi
> >> Annie's
> >> 106 - 402 Baker ST
> >> Nelson, BC V1L4H8
> >> 250-354-2000
> >> www.maternitycorner.com
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [email protected]
> >> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Aquapro
> >> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 10:25 AM
> >> To: Bill Gilligan; Miva Merchant Users
> >> Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Google link?
> >>
> >>
> >> Just wanted to post this after FINALLY hearing back from Google.
> >>
> >> We had almost 55,000 pages in the Google index from our Search Engine
> > Killer
> >> pages, CBS store map pages, plus all the static content pages from the
> >> informational side of our site.
> >>
> >> Now down to 904 and dropping. After quite a few emails to Google, we
> > finally
> >> got a response. They are absolutely not indexing ANY form of mirror or
> > HTML
> >> equivalent of dynamic pages. If content on pages is identical or even
> > close,
> >> forget about it!
> >>
> >> It's either the dynamic pages, or ONE series of HTML pages. Have a
mirror
> > on
> >> another domain? Google may not list your site at all unless (like us),
you
> >> also have a fair amount of content pages.
> >>
> >> They would not get into algorythym specifics, but the bottom line is
that
> > we
> >> had too many copies of our store in their index. Their solution was to
get
> >> rid OF ALL pages related to Merchant from our site. They said their
spider
> >> will now crawl the site starting at the index and will spider any links
it
> >> finds until content starts looking identical, then it will stop. It
will
> > be
> >> at least two to six months after we "clean up our site and remove all
> > forms
> >> of mirror html pages before Google will start indexing new html pages
> >> generated by our new PHP Frame solution (Sebenza Studios). As that
> > solution
> >> also prevents the spider from seeing standard mvc product and category
> >> pages, it will work, but only after we get rid of our SEK pages and CBS
> >> Store Map.
> >>
> >> SEK, CBS store map and any other form of mirrored pages are a thing of
the
> >> past when it comes to Google. Either the PHP Frame solution we have or
> >> Search Friendly links with dynamic Miva pages are the only way to fly.
Get
> >> rid of anything else fast!
> >>
> >>
> >> Thank you
> >>
> >> Dave Hauser, President
> >> Aquarium Professionals Group
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [email protected]
> >> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Bill
Gilligan
> >> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 12:16 PM
> >> To: Miva Merchant Users
> >> Subject: [mru] OT: Google link?
> >>
> >>
> >> Someone recently posted a link to a story about new changes at Google.
> >>
> >> I have a client that has found his sales down, and google listing has
> >> dropped bu thousands. Did they
> >> drop thousands of pages?
> >>
> >> Anyone have that link?
> >>
> >> Bill
> >>
> >>

OT: Google link?



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for that code. Assuming you're not actually using opentokens in that code
you can just disregard the message. If you are using opentokens then you
need to insert the %OUI% bit but, if that were the case, something wouldn't
be working because those opentokens wouldn't be getting parsed. Therefore,
you most likely just have something in there that looks like opentokens but
isn't so don't worry.

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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Patio & Grill
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 10:17 PM
To: miva list
Subject: [mru] problem with java in head tag

Hello,

I'm trying to insert a simple javascript for my menu into the head tag. I
inserted it, and the menu works and everything, but it gives me a "non-fatal
warning [20005] (line 1/char 1) This string contains opentokens but does not
start with %OUI%".

The only thing that I can tell that is actually wrong with the site is a ">"
inserted at the very top of the page above the global header. like I said,
the menu works, it just has that carrot symbol at the top of the page and it
gives me that error.

Any ideas?

Thanks!

KC

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OT: Google link?



> Jason, I know you mentioned you were unsure if blocking the /Merchant2/
> folder (or in my case, the /miva/ folder) would or wouldn't effect
> SFL's, but do you know where I (and I am sure many others reading this
> thread) can find out for sure? I don't want to open a $99.00 support
> ticket for this with MIVA ;-) And nor do I willy-nilly want to block
> the /miva/ folder only to find that all my SFL were blocked too.
>
> What I am wondering is if all the links in my store are just like this
one:
>
> <A HREF ="http://www.ultimate-weight-products.com/page/UN/PROD/AN/AB-001">http://www.ultimate-weight-products.com/page/UN/PROD/AN/AB-001</A>

In my own mind, I was pretty sure it wouldn't be a problem. Didn't want to
say definitely and have it come back and bite me. But I did check, and
spiders will see the sfl link and not say "hey, this is really a
/Merchant2/merchant.mvc file!!!!"

> Would blocking the /miva/ folder block the dynamic ones, like this one
> below, but not the SFL above (even though technically the SFL above is
> located in the /miva/ folder)?
>
>
<A HREF ="http://www.ultimate-weight-products.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=AB-001">http://www.ultimate-weight-products.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=AB-001</A>

Those are not good. directory style only.

> Julie <---- who is waiting for plane ticket prices to come down to
> confirm attending the Dallas Conference.... PHX to D/FW is $400!

Cool. Glad to hear it.

Jason

> Jason Henderson wrote:
> > Same thing. There will be what "appears" to be two different pages with
the
> > exact same content. Banning /Merchant2/ directory "should" not affect
> > rewritten urls via .htaccess such as SFL but don't quote me on that.
> >
> > Jason
> >
> >
> >
> >>I tried to follow the entire thread and didn't see this asked. If so, I
> >>apologize. What happens if your site has both SFL and normal links to
the
> >>same page? Will this cause issues?
> >>
> >>
> >>Paul
>
>

OT: Google link?



> In trying to follow this scary death of SEK thread- I'm stuck with a
couple
> of questions:
>
> I have CBS Storemap and had a Static Category mirror which I hadn't been
> using. If I want to delete it now- is all I do remove the 0000001 Category
> folder? I also don''t have a clear understanding of what was done when I
> upgraded years ago from 4.13 to 4.16 compiled- and I still have the
dormant
> 4.13 files, including the static catalog, sitting there. Not smart I'm
sure-
> but in the interest of not breaking anything that works... will those
> dormant files be any danger to Google's bot if nothing on the store links
to
> them anymore?

if bots can't get to them, then no problemo.

> Jason says it's OK to "keep the store map pages but change the links". If
I
> have SFL- do I need to change any links? If so -- how?

depends. Are the links on the sitemap pages SFL links? As I said before,
download them and search and replace.

Jason

> Seems like there's no such thing as a long term investment in technology
> anymore...
> THANKS for keeping us current, guys.
>
> Linda Katz
> www.israeliproducts.com
>
>
>
>
>

OT: Google link?



> > Bruce,
> >
> > Did you miss Dave's post yesterday? Google indeed is now
> > penalizing for duplicate content on the same domain.
> >
> > Jason
>
> I didn't have time to read the article, however, if they are doing this,
> then I'm selling my shares in Google, cause it shows they are just being
> stupid. There is no benefit from having duplicate content under the same
> domain, so why invoke a penelty.
>
> -Bruce

That is very debateable on the merchant's end but a moot point at this
juncture. But we do agree that it is silly and stupid on Google's part. No
matter how many "duplicate" or similar pages of one product there are, only
1 or 2 listings with the second one being indented and right under the 1st
shown in the results. Its logical to see why mirror domains would piss them
off. Maybe I missed this part in dave's post, it might be a google resource
thing where they don't want to spider different versions of the same content
when spidering a site.

Jason

OT: Google link?



I don't know. here is an example- is that an SFL link?

<A HREF ="http://www.israeliproducts.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?page=IP/PROD/HCR004">http://www.israeliproducts.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?page=IP/PROD/HCR004</A>

I have SFL set to "short link". I didn't see an answer to Lori yet-- if
having both SFL and non-SFL is a problem... is this even an issue? I can't
see why SFL and storemap- bought together- wouldn't be made to work
together..?

Linda Katz
www.israeliproducts.com


>> Jason says it's OK to "keep the store map pages but change the links". If
> I
>> have SFL- do I need to change any links? If so -- how?
>
> depends. Are the links on the sitemap pages SFL links? As I said before,
> download them and search and replace.
>
> Jason

OT: Google link?



> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected]
> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
> > Jason Henderson
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 11:15 AM
> > To: Leslie Nord - Webs Your Way
> > Cc: Miva Users Group
> > Subject: Re: [mru] OT: Google link?
> >
> > > Okay, I would use the robot.txt IF I wanted Google to spider the MO
> > > and not spider the dynamic stuff? Is it better to have
> > Google spidering MO?
> > >
> > > Leslie
> >
> > It all depends on your situation. If you can optimize
> > merchant pages and don't have a server load issue, why not
> > use merchant pages?
>
> Because when a crawler hits, you will have a server load<G>.
> -Bruce

Of course you will have a server load but whether it is an issue will vary.

Jason

OT: Google link?



Hi Dave,

No, no content at all at the domain I had pointing via nameservers.
What happened is, I own www. ultimatenourishment .com (I am breaking up
the url as I do not want spidering of my 301 domain since these archives
do get spidered) and had used my host's nameservers to point people who
may have typed this domain into their browser to resolve to the domain
with all my content which is www.ultimate-weight-products.com This
worked great as far as bringing people who typed my business' name in
the url field. However, Google picked up the www. ultimatenourishment
.com link as people would use this url in forums, etc. Anyway, Google
saw the same content on www. ultimatenourishment .com as on
www.ultimate-weight-products.com, plus since all my links on
www.ultimate-weight-products.com are relative, when one would arrive at
my site via the www. ultimatenourishment .com, the www.
ultimatenourishment .com would still resolve with the
ultimatenourishment in it.... ie: www. ultimatenourishment
.com/page/UN/CTGY/strainer. LOL, does this make sense so far?

When I noticed my site literally disappeared from the face of Google, I
researched, and found that the only acceptable redirect method as far as
Google's Terms Of Use is a 301 (permanent) redirect. And that anecdotal
information suggested that sites were getting penalized and even banned
for using any other redirect method.

So, my ever so amazing host (dotCOM designers) figured out a way to give
a 301 header on any url containing www. ultimatenourishment .com to
www.ultimate-weight-products.com Meaning if there is a url out there
like www. ultimatenourishment .com /page/UN/CTGY/strainer and someone
clicks on it (or Google's spider follows it), it will give a 301 and
take the visitor to http://www.ultimate-weight-products..../CTGY/strainer

I am unsure exactly how the 301 is written to achieve this, but I am
sure David (your host) knows as well.

I hope this helps.

Julie

Aquapro wrote:

> Hmmm.
>
> Julie,
>
> Did you have content on those other domains or did you just have your host
> pointing those domains to your active domain with content?
>
> I'm still confused about this. As I said, I have Hostasaurus pointing
> several other domains (mostly variations of aquariumpros like
> aquariumpros.org, aquariumpros.tv, etc.) to our main domain
> (aquariumpros.com). However, those are not "live" domains with content.
>
> Is that what you had and if so, how did you implement the 301 on the other
> domains if they weren't live sites with editable content?
>
> My understanding from the article that started this whole thread and my
> coorespondence with Google is their new system does look at DNS info such as
> ownership of domains as part of their ranking system. So a link or non 301
> redirect from an active domain to another active domain with both domains
> owned by the same party will lower ranking.
>
> Thank you
>
> Dave Hauser, President
> Aquarium Professionals Group
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Julie
> Thompson
> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 11:45 AM
> To: Bruce Golub - Phosphormedia.com
> Cc: 'Miva Merchant Users'
> Subject: Re: [mru] OT: Google link?
>
>
> Obviously only Google knows for sure and anything else is pure
> speculation, but will not disregard the possibility as I have read too
> many anecdotal experiences with Google purging duplicate content
> *within* the same domain. And my experience, I was using the name
> servers (DNS pointing) to direct another domain to my main domain. And
> within few weeks, the steady rankings my site once had were gone from
> Google. I wasn't banned (the toolbar still showed a PR for my site, and
> a "site:www.domain.com" did bring up all my pages within Google), BUT
> any steady rankings I once enjoyed were literally gone. Even a search
> for my business name, my site was not ranked well after the DNS
> pointing. Once I implemented a 301 on the other domain rather than a
> DNS redirect, my rankings returned. Thus, it leads me to never discount
> what Google defines duplicate content as.
>
> To that end, I am glad that Dave brought to our attention that dynamic
> links and SFL can possibly be construed as duplicate content.
>
> Which leads me back to my original question several posts ago; will
> disallowing robots from spidering /miva/ or /merchant2/ directorys
> (however the host has it set up) block the spiders from indexing SFL too?
>
> Julie
>
> Bruce Golub - Phosphormedia.com wrote:
>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>
>
>>>So this renders Merchant Optimizer worthless???? And dump
>>>static "doorway"
>>>pages? Use just what Miva Merchant generates? Only have
>>>static informational pages? What a week to head to NYC -
>>>guess I should be a the conference that is going on next to
>>>the Streaming Media - Google is one of teh sponsors
>>>there....didn't see FindWhat listed though.
>>>
>>>Leslie <-- is ready to freakin scream.
>>
>>
>>First of all, absolutly not, second of all, absolutely not<G>.
>>
>>Also, I think some are confusing "mirror" sites with "mirror" pages. I'm
>
> not
>
>>certain, but pretty sure that Google, or any search engine for that
>
> matter,
>
>>does not penelize for duplicate "pages" under the same domain...that would
>>just be silly. What they are penalizing are duplicate pages, under
>
> different
>
>>domains. For example, www.ThisIsTheRealSite.com/rankme.html being exactly
>>the same as www.ThisIsAnotherSite.com/rankthis.html.
>>
>>The only real reason to block /Merchant2 links when using Optimizer is to
>>prevent SE spiders from hammering your store. When crawling a site, they
>
> can
>
>>be generating anywhere from 10 to 100 requests per second. (I suspect a
>
> lot
>
>>of those "all of a sudden my site is slow" posts are simply SE spider
>>visits.)
>>
>>Sorry if I fell into the same rabbit hole as others last night, it was
>
> late
>
>>and a long day.
>>
>>-Bruce Golub
>>PHOSPHOR Media
>>......................................
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>>Content.
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>>
>>
>
>
>

OT: Google link?



> How do you get a "good" SFL link??
>
> Was there an upgrade to SFL or storemap that does better? Why wouldn't
> storemap write "good" ones if they work together?

You need to read the documentation. It does what you tell it to do.

> So if we have to go in and change all the llnks on the html pages-- should
> the category pages look like this?
>
> <A HREF ="http://www.israeliproducts.com/page=IP/CTGY/Ahava">http://www.israeliproducts.com/page=IP/CTGY/Ahava</A>
>
> instead of:
>
> <A HREF ="http://www.israeliproducts.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?page=IP/CTGY/Ahava">http://www.israeliproducts.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?page=IP/CTGY/Ahava</A>

No. Go back and read my last email
> > A bad sfl link, yes. should be israeliproducts.com/page/IP/PROD/HCR004

> In other words... search and replace:
>
> Merchant2/merchant.mvc?
>
> That's always OK to do?

No. Just block /Merchant2/ as instructed in previous emails about
robots.txt

Jason


> (Then how come merchant isn't programmed that way to begin with? Is that a
> ridiculous question?)
>
>
> Linda Katz
> israeliproducts.com
>
> >> I don't know. here is an example- is that an SFL link?
> >>
> >>
<A HREF ="http://www.israeliproducts.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?page=IP/PROD/HCR004">http://www.israeliproducts.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?page=IP/PROD/HCR004</A>
> >
> > A bad sfl link, yes. should be israeliproducts.com/page/IP/PROD/HCR004
>
>

OT: Google link?



> Jason Henderson wrote:
>
> > In my own mind, I was pretty sure it wouldn't be a problem. Didn't want
to
> > say definitely and have it come back and bite me. But I did check, and
> > spiders will see the sfl link and not say "hey, this is really a
> > /Merchant2/merchant.mvc file!!!!"
> >
> >
>
> Thanks so much Jason. Now, bear with me... I am still recovering from
> my missing 'add to basket' buttons...
>
> So, what you are saying is if I enter in my robots.txt file:
>
> User-agent: *
> Disallow: /miva/
>
> This will disallow all robots from spidering my dynamic links BUT any
> SFL directory style link the robot encounters during the indexing
> process will be followed.
>
> So, the robot cannot read the .htaccess rewrite and realize those pages
> are really residing in the /miva/ directory?

Correct. It will just see /page/ and not /miva/

Jason

>
> >
> >
> >>Julie <---- who is waiting for plane ticket prices to come down to
> >>confirm attending the Dallas Conference.... PHX to D/FW is $400!
> >
> >
> > Cool. Glad to hear it.
> >
>
> I really, really want to attend! I just cannot believe that I can fly
> to NY from Phoenix for less than $300 but a hop to Dallas is $400+.
> Here's hoping to airfair wars soon :-)
>
> Julie
>
>