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#2 · 05-13-05, 09:56 AM

Upsell Process

There was a post early this week from a developer (sorry, I forget who)
about a module he developed for just this. It allows you to have the upsell
called via tokens so you can put it on the basket page, product page, or
elsewhere and it adds some flexibility to upsells in general. I can't say
for certain but I would imagine this would avoid the issue you're running
into with upsell items disappearing when you continue shopping. Hopefully,
he or someone who remembers more than I can provide more details.

Dan
Impulse Creations

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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Ray Yates
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 12:36 PM
To: Merchant-Users
Subject: [mru] Upsell Process

A question for you Merchant/Scripting insiders.

I don't know anyone has tried this, but I've always thought upselling would
be far more effective if you could do it on the basket page instead of (or
in addition to) the checkout process.

I've managed to re-code Merchants basket page so that every time a song is
added to the basket, the basket is displayed with a continue shopping
button. On the basket page, I would like to attempt to upsell the full CD
the song came from. I was playing around and got Merchant to display upsell
items and add the item to the basket, returning to the basket page.

So far so good.

The problem is this: If I add another item to the basket the upsell item is
removed. Is this a "feature" of Merchant so that if someone exits the
checkout process (normally where upselling is performed) upsell items are
cleared? If so, how can I get around it?

Ray Yates
Flying Hands Music
<A HREF ="http://www.flyinghands.com">http://www.flyinghands.com</A>

#3 · 05-13-05, 11:22 AM

Upsell Process

OPT allows you to put products related items on the basket screen.
http://jmhonline.net/miva-modules/page+templates

Jason

>
> A question for you Merchant/Scripting insiders.
>
> I don't know anyone has tried this, but I've always thought upselling
would
> be far more effective if you could do it on the basket page instead of (or
> in addition to) the checkout process.
>
> I've managed to re-code Merchants basket page so that every time a song is
> added to the basket, the basket is displayed with a continue shopping
> button. On the basket page, I would like to attempt to upsell the full CD
> the song came from. I was playing around and got Merchant to display
upsell
> items and add the item to the basket, returning to the basket page.
>
> So far so good.
>
> The problem is this: If I add another item to the basket the upsell item
is
> removed. Is this a "feature" of Merchant so that if someone exits the
> checkout process (normally where upselling is performed) upsell items are
> cleared? If so, how can I get around it?
>
>
> Ray Yates
> Flying Hands Music
> <A HREF ="http://www.flyinghands.com">http://www.flyinghands.com</A>
>
>

#4 · 05-16-05, 04:37 PM

Upsell Process

Obviously only Google knows for sure and anything else is pure
speculation, but will not disregard the possibility as I have read too
many anecdotal experiences with Google purging duplicate content
*within* the same domain. And my experience, I was using the name
servers (DNS pointing) to direct another domain to my main domain. And
within few weeks, the steady rankings my site once had were gone from
Google. I wasn't banned (the toolbar still showed a PR for my site, and
a "site:www.domain.com" did bring up all my pages within Google), BUT
any steady rankings I once enjoyed were literally gone. Even a search
for my business name, my site was not ranked well after the DNS
pointing. Once I implemented a 301 on the other domain rather than a
DNS redirect, my rankings returned. Thus, it leads me to never discount
what Google defines duplicate content as.

To that end, I am glad that Dave brought to our attention that dynamic
links and SFL can possibly be construed as duplicate content.

Which leads me back to my original question several posts ago; will
disallowing robots from spidering /miva/ or /merchant2/ directorys
(however the host has it set up) block the spiders from indexing SFL too?

Julie

Bruce Golub - Phosphormedia.com wrote:
>>-----Original Message-----

>>
>>So this renders Merchant Optimizer worthless???? And dump
>>static "doorway"
>>pages? Use just what Miva Merchant generates? Only have
>>static informational pages? What a week to head to NYC -
>>guess I should be a the conference that is going on next to
>>the Streaming Media - Google is one of teh sponsors
>>there....didn't see FindWhat listed though.
>>
>>Leslie <-- is ready to freakin scream.
>
>
> First of all, absolutly not, second of all, absolutely not<G>.
>
> Also, I think some are confusing "mirror" sites with "mirror" pages. I'm not
> certain, but pretty sure that Google, or any search engine for that matter,
> does not penelize for duplicate "pages" under the same domain...that would
> just be silly. What they are penalizing are duplicate pages, under different
> domains. For example, www.ThisIsTheRealSite.com/rankme.html being exactly
> the same as www.ThisIsAnotherSite.com/rankthis.html.
>
> The only real reason to block /Merchant2 links when using Optimizer is to
> prevent SE spiders from hammering your store. When crawling a site, they can
> be generating anywhere from 10 to 100 requests per second. (I suspect a lot
> of those "all of a sudden my site is slow" posts are simply SE spider
> visits.)
>
> Sorry if I fell into the same rabbit hole as others last night, it was late
> and a long day.
>
> -Bruce Golub
> PHOSPHOR Media
> ......................................
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> Content.
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>

#5 · 05-16-05, 05:06 PM

Upsell Process

Ok folks after digesting this thread best I can and applying to our
situation
the first step I've taken to head off trouble (omg I hope I'm not
breaking the if it works don't fix it rule !!!)

Added to the robots.txt

User-agent: googlebot
Disallow: /home/

this directory was to our old sek based site

I did a queery at google and that showed 6,000 plus from that old site
and I was thinking oh gosh this is scary, but then
queried for url string to indicate the real site now with SFL directory
styles
that returned 24,600 results

For probably a couple years now we had not linked from the dynamic site
to /home/ in any manner
The old /home/ was only there to not give a 404 to people hitting links
still indexed with the engines and most of those pages were hacked up
and had a great big proceed to the new site link on them.

Our site map only includes SFL links.
Afaik all cats and prods for the site are all SFL directory style.
.htaccess at the root has the SFL rewrite strings
domain root pulls index.mvc and loads the SFNT with all prods and cats
as SFL

How does this sound so far ?

Thanks,
-Barrett
http://handmade-paper.us
Hosted by Hostasaurus.com (MM v4.20 OUI)
ShipWorks by Interapptive.com

On Tuesday, May 17, 2005, at 10:10 AM, Julie Thompson wrote:

> Jason, I know you mentioned you were unsure if blocking the
> /Merchant2/ folder (or in my case, the /miva/ folder) would or
> wouldn't effect SFL's, but do you know where I (and I am sure many
> others reading this thread) can find out for sure? I don't want to
> open a $99.00 support ticket for this with MIVA ;-) And nor do I
> willy-nilly want to block the /miva/ folder only to find that all my
> SFL were blocked too.
>
> What I am wondering is if all the links in my store are just like this
> one:
>
> <A HREF ="http://www.ultimate-weight-products.com/page/UN/PROD/AN/AB-001">http://www.ultimate-weight-products.com/page/UN/PROD/AN/AB-001</A>
>
> Would blocking the /miva/ folder block the dynamic ones, like this one
> below, but not the SFL above (even though technically the SFL above is
> located in the /miva/ folder)?
>
> <A HREF ="http://www.ultimate-weight-products.com/miva/ ">http://www.ultimate-weight-products.com/miva/ </A>
> merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=AB-001
>
> Julie <---- who is waiting for plane ticket prices to come down to
> confirm attending the Dallas Conference.... PHX to D/FW is $400!
>
> Jason Henderson wrote:
>> Same thing. There will be what "appears" to be two different pages
>> with the
>> exact same content. Banning /Merchant2/ directory "should" not affect
>> rewritten urls via .htaccess such as SFL but don't quote me on that.
>> Jason
>>> I tried to follow the entire thread and didn't see this asked. If
>>> so, I
>>> apologize. What happens if your site has both SFL and normal links
>>> to the
>>> same page? Will this cause issues?
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul
>
>
>

#6 · 05-16-05, 08:00 PM

Upsell Process

Question.... I am using Viking Coders Search Manager and I am trying to add
a static one line search box (using the code from their documentation) on my
home page. However, when I paste the code into the table I am using it
messes up the table and throws everything off, even though there is plenty
of room there. Any idea of how to constrain this thing so it fits
correctly?

Thanks!

Craig L.

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