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    #46
    SEK2 Search engine killer




    On Wednesday, July 3, 2002, at 06:33 PM, Barrett Butler wrote:

    > Maybe I'm missing something then.
    > It is my understanding that the search engines that do not index our
    > merchant sites will index the mirror and therefore all the links
    > offered to the public will be directly to a mirror page; right ?

    > If that is the case then what kind of impression is one going to make
    > if the customer sees a crappy page that only a developer would
    > understand that it is just a mirror page to hook search engines ???
    >
    > -Barrett
    > [email protected]
    > http://creativepapersonline.com
    > Hosted by Cybrhost.com MM 4.12-OUI 4.30
    >



    > On Wednesday, July 3, 2002, at 01:12 PM, [email protected] wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> Oh. Just worked out what that "-" is. You have not entered any
    >> keywords in the Basic Config.
    >>
    >> Two things. Firstly, you are very welcome to take what SEK2
    >> creates and change it from a "design" perspective to match the
    >> look and feel of your site to perfection.. but why? SEK2 is a way
    >> to generate lots of content with little effort. The purpose of the
    >> SEK2 mirror is very specific.. and it ISN'T to have someone surf the
    >> mirror.. quite the opposite. So while changes to create visual
    >> perfection are a choice you can make.. why do it? You loose the
    >> ability to quickly generate the mirror based on the current data in
    >> your store.
    >>
    >> Now as far as perfect HTML go, I have no doubt that you are right..
    >> and at the same time what is the implication? I admit to some
    >> lazy HTML habits as a developer, and these are around parts of the
    >> HTML definition that are states as "the way it should be" but in
    >> reality have absolutely zero implication in the real world. The
    >> SEK2 mirrors will load very happily in IE and Netscape all the way
    >> back to v3.
    >>
    >> Keith
    >>
    >>
    >> On 3 Jul 2002, at 5:14, Barrett Butler wrote:
    >>
    >>> I'm doing some initial testing with SEK2 by first just working on
    >>> optimizing
    >>> the look of the index page.
    >>> I have found that it (it defined as sek + all other variables
    >>> affecting
    >>> output) is making a lot of bad html. Just to emphasize; that I don't
    >>> want to
    >>> single out SEK2 as it looks like it is going to be an extremely
    >>> useful tool
    >>> and most certainly it is probably something on my end.
    >>> What I'm finding is a lot of <td> or <tr> or already defined errors
    >>> or extra
    >>> table artifacts just floating around in the source between table by
    >>> themselves and several instances of no starting or ending tags here
    >>> and
    >>> there.
    >>>
    >>> <<A HREF ="http://www.creativepapersonline.com/store/static_index.html>">http://www.creativepapersonline.com/store/static_index.html></A>
    >>> That is a page I did a bunch of fixing numerous table artifacts on.
    >>> <<A HREF ="http://www.creativepapersonline.com/store/index.html>">http://www.creativepapersonline.com/store/index.html></A>
    >>> Is untouched page generated by SEK2.
    >>>
    >>> What tip and tricks do those of you that are using it already have up
    >>> your
    >>> sleeves?
    >>> Thanks,
    >>> -Barrett
    >>> [email protected]
    >>> http://creativepapersonline.com
    >>> Hosted by Cybrhost.com MM 4.12-OUI 4.30
    >>>
    >>>
    >>
    >>
    >> Keith Hunniford
    >> <A HREF ="http://www.MvCOOL.com - Miva Module Store">http://www.MvCOOL.com - Miva Module Store</A>
    >> <A HREF ="http://www.wump.com - Miva Development Services">http://www.wump.com - Miva Development Services</A>
    >>
    >>
    >

    Comment


      #47
      Top header buttons not appearing



      When I hit the account menu bar button in the header my site correctly
      switches to the secure server, but then Miva is looking for the header
      button graphics using the https:// secure server address and is not
      finding them.

      The buttons in the header do not show since they are trying to find them
      under the https:// when they are in the http:// non-secure server area.
      Ever hear of this?

      Thanks for any help,
      - Bob Giammanco


      Comment


        #48
        Top header buttons not appearing



        Yep - check your host to make sure it can find your files in any directory,
        just like http://

        If you're calling in an html file using something like DisplayWizard, they
        need to fix the issue.


        Pamela
        <A HREF ="http://www.designextend.com">http://www.designextend.com</A>
        miva merchant modules, training & more
        Get your copy of The Official Guide to Miva Merchant 4.x!

        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: [email protected]
        > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Bob Giammanco
        > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 10:48 PM
        > To: [email protected]
        > Cc: [email protected]
        > Subject: [mru] Top header buttons not appearing
        >
        >
        > When I hit the account menu bar button in the header my site correctly
        > switches to the secure server, but then Miva is looking for the header
        > button graphics using the https:// secure server address and is not
        > finding them.
        >
        > The buttons in the header do not show since they are trying to find them
        > under the https:// when they are in the http:// non-secure server area.
        > Ever hear of this?
        >
        > Thanks for any help,
        > - Bob Giammanco
        >
        >

        Comment


          #49
          Top header buttons not appearing



          I had the same problem with my header. Use absolute URLS. Everything
          else relative.

          ============================

          When I hit the account menu bar button in the header my site correctly
          switches to the secure server, but then Miva is looking for the header
          button graphics using the https:// secure server address and is not
          finding them.

          The buttons in the header do not show since they are trying to find them
          under the https:// when they are in the http:// non-secure server area.
          Ever hear of this?

          Thanks for any help,
          - Bob Giammanco


          Comment


            #50
            Re: Re: [OT] Merchant and CVV2



            I think AMEX rejected me :(
            I have JCB but the authorize.net module doesn not support it :(

            -----Original Message-----
            From: [email protected]
            [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Admin
            Sent: September 30, 2002 1:25 PM
            To: [email protected]
            Subject: [mru] Re: Re: [OT] Merchant and CVV2


            To take your analogy to the next step, Bruce, why not take Diner's Club?
            JCB? In fact, why would anyone NOT take PayPal? They could be losing
            sales
            because of it.

            Most merchants don't take Diner's Club because (my assumptions here) the
            costs and hassle aren't worth the anticipated low volume.

            It DOES irk me when a merchant's site doesn't accept AMEX, but if they
            are
            the only source for what I want (such as that latest hot module), then I
            curse and pull out my Visa.

            Robert Bradley
            www.lowcostprints.com

            ----------------
            Bruce wrote, in part:
            its always makes me
            wonder why folks don't take visa, mc, discover AND Amex...sure, discover
            or
            AMEX might cost more per order, but how many orders can you afford to
            loose
            cause someone wants to use their Amex or Discover card.


            Comment


              #51
              Re: Re: [OT] Merchant and CVV2



              Why don't they indeed...if your gateway supports them, take it. The
              difference in actual cost per order should be low enough not matter...again,
              its a different world...in brick and mortar, its unlikely you'll loose an
              order by NOT taking Diner's Club-the card holder has to have another method
              of paying and is not interested in driving to another store to make the
              purchase...online, its way to easy (and the easy part is that there is no
              "face" lost, no interaction or "embarrassment").

              -Bruce
              ......................................
              PHOSPHOR Media
              Featuring: StoreMan - A smarter way to manage Miva Merchant(tm) Store
              Content.
              Download a hassle-free demo today
              <A HREF ="http://www.phosphormedia.com/go.mv?ID=listsm">http://www.phosphormedia.com/go.mv?ID=listsm</A>
              ......................................

              > -----Original Message-----
              > From: [email protected]
              > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Admin
              > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 1:25 PM
              > To: [email protected]
              > Subject: [mru] Re: Re: [OT] Merchant and CVV2
              >
              >
              > To take your analogy to the next step, Bruce, why not take Diner's Club?
              > JCB? In fact, why would anyone NOT take PayPal? They could be
              > losing sales
              > because of it.
              >
              > Most merchants don't take Diner's Club because (my assumptions here) the
              > costs and hassle aren't worth the anticipated low volume.
              >
              > It DOES irk me when a merchant's site doesn't accept AMEX, but if they are
              > the only source for what I want (such as that latest hot module), then I
              > curse and pull out my Visa.
              >
              > Robert Bradley
              > www.lowcostprints.com
              >
              > ----------------
              > Bruce wrote, in part:
              > its always makes me
              > wonder why folks don't take visa, mc, discover AND Amex...sure,
              > discover or
              > AMEX might cost more per order, but how many orders can you
              > afford to loose
              > cause someone wants to use their Amex or Discover card.
              >
              >

              Comment


                #52
                Re: Re: [OT] Merchant and CVV2



                Diners Club is now included with Card Services International and the
                linkpoint gateway. Just go in a click on it to turn it on. :-)
                --
                Trent Charlton
                Business Development
                Macs4all.com, Inc.
                **************************************************
                (714) 573-4560 Voice [email protected] Email
                (714) 730-2128 Fax <A HREF ="http://www.macs4all.com Website">http://www.macs4all.com Website</A>
                **************************************************

                > From: "Admin" <[email protected]>
                > Organization: Low Cost Prints LLC
                > Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:25:14 -0400
                > To: <[email protected]>
                > Subject: [mru] Re: Re: [OT] Merchant and CVV2
                >
                > To take your analogy to the next step, Bruce, why not take Diner's Club?
                > JCB? In fact, why would anyone NOT take PayPal? They could be losing sales
                > because of it.
                >
                > Most merchants don't take Diner's Club because (my assumptions here) the
                > costs and hassle aren't worth the anticipated low volume.
                >
                > It DOES irk me when a merchant's site doesn't accept AMEX, but if they are
                > the only source for what I want (such as that latest hot module), then I
                > curse and pull out my Visa.
                >
                > Robert Bradley
                > www.lowcostprints.com
                >
                > ----------------
                > Bruce wrote, in part:
                > its always makes me
                > wonder why folks don't take visa, mc, discover AND Amex...sure, discover or
                > AMEX might cost more per order, but how many orders can you afford to loose
                > cause someone wants to use their Amex or Discover card.
                >
                >

                Comment


                  #53
                  Shipping Configuration



                  I think your shipping policy will be hard for shoppers to understand, but it
                  can be done. People with $75 will have to select the free option but no one
                  else will be able to.

                  Enable Price table shipping;

                  Make the charge for totals below $75 be "on the expensive side" depending on
                  your product's price. Just set it up where is will be a choice no on wants.
                  Call it something boring like "regular shipping"
                  Make a second option in it for total $75 or more. Make it charge sero and
                  label it as "FREE shipping for order total $75 or more".

                  Then (after you enable the price table shipping, so that the weight table
                  shipping is rendered first on checkout)

                  make all items weigh 1 (pound) and Enable weight table shipping:

                  Make Certificate weigh zero.

                  Setup the weight table where it charges $7 for the first "pound" and $0.5
                  per "pound" after that. Call this method something encouraging like
                  "Economy shipping".

                  In item B product screen click on the shipping weight table tab and add
                  $0.5. For C add $1. If you do not know what that is check
                  http;//mivahelp.com/steps/ship3.htm

                  In the header of the shipping screen say that shoppers with totals over $75
                  need to select the free shipping option available in the drop down list.

                  All shoppers will automatically get the rates you want. Gift certificates
                  will be free. If people had less than $75 but wanted to pull a fast one they
                  will not be able to take advantage of free sipping since the only other
                  option will be the pricier "regular" shipping pulled from the price table.
                  if they had more than $75 and they will be able to select the "FREE shipping
                  for order total $75 or more" option.

                  =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
                  Miva HeLp! <A HREF ="http://www.mivahelp.com">http://www.mivahelp.com</A>
                  E-commerce for the rest of us. Tutorials, articles, and tips.
                  =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=


                  >
                  > Trying to figure out the best way to do this. Shipping modules I have at my
                  > disposal are all the ones in Emporium Plus's Developer Bundle and the
                  > standard Merchant ones. I am NOT interested in the Shipping SuperMod.
                  >
                  > Gift Certificates have free shipping
                  > First item is $7(unless it's item B which is $7.50 or Item C which is $8)
                  > Each additional Item is $.50(unless it's Item B which is a $1 or Item C
                  > which is $1.50)
                  > Orders over $75.00 have free shipping.


                  Comment


                    #54
                    OT: Do you Froogle?



                    For those interested in getting listed, the url is:
                    http://froogle.google.com/froogle/merchants.html#feed

                    Jason

                    > I'm glad Mr. Coop posted the info about Froogle. Google isn't MY choice
                    of
                    > search engines (alltheweb.com is my choice), but average Joe's use Google
                    > all the time. Glad they're doing something to fix their shortfalls. I
                    > sent them the information they requested to get their "data feed" info, I
                    > received this reply from the "feed team" around noon:
                    >
                    > Thanks for your interest in Froogle! We will respond to you as soon as we
                    can.
                    >
                    > The Google Team
                    >
                    > No word yet...
                    >
                    > Marc
                    >
                    > At 06:34 PM 12/12/2002 -0800, you wrote:
                    > >Curious if most people's store's show up in Froogle at:
                    > >http://froogle.google.com/ <http://froogle.google.com/>
                    > >Most of our client's sites are showing up, but a few are not. Even our
                    > >module directory shows up. But one site I know of with over 1000 pages
                    > >in Google is not showing up. ???? I emailed them about information on
                    > >giving froogle a feed but haven't heard back yet. It is probably a safe
                    > >bet that you will definitely want to be in froogle. Working on Google
                    > >and Miva Merchant Part 2 article right now. Hopefully more information
                    > >will become available before we send this month's issue out.
                    >
                    >

                    Comment


                      #55
                      OT: Do you Froogle?



                      I'm glad Mr. Coop posted the info about Froogle. Google isn't MY choice of
                      search engines (alltheweb.com is my choice), but average Joe's use Google
                      all the time. Glad they're doing something to fix their shortfalls. I
                      sent them the information they requested to get their "data feed" info, I
                      received this reply from the "feed team" around noon:

                      Thanks for your interest in Froogle! We will respond to you as soon as we can.

                      The Google Team

                      No word yet...

                      Marc

                      At 06:34 PM 12/12/2002 -0800, you wrote:
                      >Curious if most people's store's show up in Froogle at:
                      >http://froogle.google.com/ <http://froogle.google.com/>
                      >Most of our client's sites are showing up, but a few are not. Even our
                      >module directory shows up. But one site I know of with over 1000 pages
                      >in Google is not showing up. ???? I emailed them about information on
                      >giving froogle a feed but haven't heard back yet. It is probably a safe
                      >bet that you will definitely want to be in froogle. Working on Google
                      >and Miva Merchant Part 2 article right now. Hopefully more information
                      >will become available before we send this month's issue out.


                      Comment


                        #56
                        OT: Do you Froogle?



                        Marc A. Mercier wrote:
                        > I'm glad Mr. Coop posted the info about Froogle. Google isn't MY choice of
                        > search engines (alltheweb.com is my choice), but average Joe's use Google
                        > all the time. Glad they're doing something to fix their shortfalls. I
                        > sent them the information they requested to get their "data feed" info, I
                        > received this reply from the "feed team" around noon:
                        >
                        > Thanks for your interest in Froogle! We will respond to you as soon as we can.

                        I got the same response as you. I have the export module written but
                        need to know the order they want the fields in. Otherwise, the module
                        is ready to go.

                        --
                        Bill Weiland - Emporium Plus <A HREF ="http://www.emporiumplus.com/store.mvc ">http://www.emporiumplus.com/store.mvc </A>
                        Modules for eCommerce. Mail Mgr, Coupon, Rate This, Wait List Mgr,
                        PayPal, Gift/Wish List, Attribute Import, Shipping & dozens more
                        Online Documentation <A HREF ="http://www.emporiumplus.com/tk3/v3/doc.htm">http://www.emporiumplus.com/tk3/v3/doc.htm</A>
                        Product Question <A HREF ="http://www.emporiumplus.com/store4.mvc?Screen=SPTS ">http://www.emporiumplus.com/store4.mvc?Screen=SPTS </A>
                        |


                        Comment


                          #57
                          OT: Do you Froogle?



                          Sounds like you do pay. From what I read you must be a AdWords customer to
                          sign up and I have not found them very helpful after hundreds of dollars of
                          advertising. The referral rate simply sucked! (Sorry for the word ;) Maybe
                          all our sites just do not attract as many customers. Who knows....

                          Webmaster, PWDOnLine.Com
                          <A HREF ="http://www.PWDOnLine.Com">http://www.PWDOnLine.Com</A>

                          *** DeerSearch.Com - Get Targeted Traffic to your site for as little as
                          1 penny per visit!
                          <A HREF ="http://www.DeerSearch.Com">http://www.DeerSearch.Com</A>

                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: "William Weiland" <[email protected]>
                          To: <[email protected]>
                          Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 10:08 PM
                          Subject: Re: [mru] OT: Do you Froogle?


                          > Marc A. Mercier wrote:
                          > > I'm glad Mr. Coop posted the info about Froogle. Google isn't MY choice
                          of
                          > > search engines (alltheweb.com is my choice), but average Joe's use
                          Google
                          > > all the time. Glad they're doing something to fix their shortfalls. I
                          > > sent them the information they requested to get their "data feed" info,
                          I
                          > > received this reply from the "feed team" around noon:
                          > >
                          > > Thanks for your interest in Froogle! We will respond to you as soon as
                          we can.
                          >
                          > I got the same response as you. I have the export module written but
                          > need to know the order they want the fields in. Otherwise, the module
                          > is ready to go.
                          >
                          > --
                          > Bill Weiland - Emporium Plus <A HREF ="http://www.emporiumplus.com/store.mvc">http://www.emporiumplus.com/store.mvc</A>
                          > Modules for eCommerce. Mail Mgr, Coupon, Rate This, Wait List Mgr,
                          > PayPal, Gift/Wish List, Attribute Import, Shipping & dozens more
                          > Online Documentation <A HREF ="http://www.emporiumplus.com/tk3/v3/doc.htm">http://www.emporiumplus.com/tk3/v3/doc.htm</A>
                          > Product Question <A HREF ="http://www.emporiumplus.com/store4.mvc?Screen=SPTS">http://www.emporiumplus.com/store4.mvc?Screen=SPTS</A>
                          > |
                          >
                          >

                          Comment


                            #58
                            OT: Do you Froogle?



                            on 12/13/02 3:19 AM, Webmaster at [email protected] wrote:

                            > Sounds like you do pay. From what I read you must be a AdWords customer to
                            > sign up and I have not found them very helpful after hundreds of dollars of
                            > advertising. The referral rate simply sucked! (Sorry for the word ;) Maybe
                            > all our sites just do not attract as many customers. Who knows....
                            >

                            You must not have read far enough. (items #6 and #7)
                            <A HREF ="http://www.froogle.google.com/froogle/merchants.html#cost">http://www.froogle.google.com/froogle/merchants.html#cost</A>


                            6. How much do I have to pay to be part of Froogle?

                            Zip. Zero. Nada. Zilch. Nothing. Inclusion in Froogle is absolutely free.
                            Our goal is to enable users to search over the broadest possible range of
                            products for sale online. To do that, we're including all merchants at no
                            charge. If you really want to pay us, however, we are more than happy to
                            sell you advertising (see below).

                            7. How do I advertise on Froogle?

                            If you are a Google AdWords advertiser and have requested that Google
                            distribute your ads to our partner sites, they will automatically appear on
                            Froogle. There's currently no way to have your ads appear only on Froogle
                            and not our partner sites or Google.com. Google Premium Sponsorship ads do
                            not appear on Froogle. To learn more about the advantages of advertising
                            with Google, visit the Google AdWords home page.


                            Debra Sawyers, Web Developer
                            Tama Graphics & Marketing, Inc.
                            <A HREF ="http://www.tamagraphics.com">http://www.tamagraphics.com</A>
                            525 Greenfield Road
                            Lancaster, PA 17601
                            (717) 295-9510 x610


                            Comment


                              #59
                              OT: Do you Froogle?



                              That advertising list doesn't sound like a bad idea. I will see if I get
                              time to set one up sometime...

                              Webmaster, PWDOnLine.Com
                              <A HREF ="http://www.PWDOnLine.Com">http://www.PWDOnLine.Com</A>

                              *** DeerSearch.Com - Get Targeted Traffic to your site for as little as
                              1 penny per visit!
                              <A HREF ="http://www.DeerSearch.Com">http://www.DeerSearch.Com</A>

                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: "Odor Destroyer" <[email protected]>
                              To: "Webmaster" <[email protected]>; "William Weiland"
                              <[email protected]>; "'Merchant-Users@Miva. Com'" <[email protected]>
                              Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 8:23 AM
                              Subject: RE: [mru] OT: Do you Froogle?


                              > I'm thinking the same thing. I hadn't noticed till Overture took my
                              > account offline (w/o notice) for an expired CC. Sales fell through the
                              > floor, and Google was responsible for about 1 sale per day. Using Miva
                              > Affiliates I was under the impression that they were 50/50 with Overture,
                              > but apparently they just track through MivaAff better than Overture leads
                              > fort whatever reason.
                              >
                              > Hey, I'd love to start a thread (or a list) just to discuss advertising
                              > issues. It's my weak point, and I'm sure that I could learn a lot from you
                              > guys on that subject too.
                              >
                              > Sincerely,
                              > Philip Doolittle
                              > <A HREF ="http://www.OdorDestroyer.com">http://www.OdorDestroyer.com</A>
                              >
                              >
                              > >-----Original Message-----
                              > >From: [email protected]
                              > >[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Webmaster
                              > >Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 3:20 AM
                              > >To: William Weiland; 'Merchant-Users@Miva. Com'
                              > >Subject: Re: [mru] OT: Do you Froogle?
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >Sounds like you do pay. From what I read you must be a AdWords customer
                              to
                              > >sign up and I have not found them very helpful after hundreds of dollars
                              of
                              > >advertising. The referral rate simply sucked! (Sorry for the word ;)
                              Maybe
                              > >all our sites just do not attract as many customers. Who knows....
                              > >
                              > >Webmaster, PWDOnLine.Com
                              > ><A HREF ="http://www.PWDOnLine.Com">http://www.PWDOnLine.Com</A>
                              > >
                              > >*** DeerSearch.Com - Get Targeted Traffic to your site for as little
                              as
                              > >1 penny per visit!
                              > ><A HREF ="http://www.DeerSearch.Com">http://www.DeerSearch.Com</A>
                              > >
                              > >----- Original Message -----
                              > >From: "William Weiland" <[email protected]>
                              > >To: <[email protected]>
                              > >Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 10:08 PM
                              > >Subject: Re: [mru] OT: Do you Froogle?
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >> Marc A. Mercier wrote:
                              > >> > I'm glad Mr. Coop posted the info about Froogle. Google isn't
                              > >MY choice
                              > >of
                              > >> > search engines (alltheweb.com is my choice), but average Joe's use
                              > >Google
                              > >> > all the time. Glad they're doing something to fix their shortfalls.
                              I
                              > >> > sent them the information they requested to get their "data feed"
                              info,
                              > >I
                              > >> > received this reply from the "feed team" around noon:
                              > >> >
                              > >> > Thanks for your interest in Froogle! We will respond to you as soon
                              as
                              > >we can.
                              > >>
                              > >> I got the same response as you. I have the export module written but
                              > >> need to know the order they want the fields in. Otherwise, the module
                              > >> is ready to go.
                              > >>
                              > >> --
                              > >> Bill Weiland - Emporium Plus <A HREF ="http://www.emporiumplus.com/store.mvc">http://www.emporiumplus.com/store.mvc</A>
                              > >> Modules for eCommerce. Mail Mgr, Coupon, Rate This, Wait List Mgr,
                              > >> PayPal, Gift/Wish List, Attribute Import, Shipping & dozens more
                              > >> Online Documentation <A HREF ="http://www.emporiumplus.com/tk3/v3/doc.htm">http://www.emporiumplus.com/tk3/v3/doc.htm</A>
                              > >> Product Question <A HREF ="http://www.emporiumplus.com/store4.mvc?Screen=SPTS">http://www.emporiumplus.com/store4.mvc?Screen=SPTS</A>
                              > >> |
                              > >>
                              > >>

                              Comment


                                #60
                                OT: Do you Froogle?



                                Right.
                                <quote>
                                > If you are a Google AdWords advertiser and have requested that Google
                                > distribute your ads to our partner sites, they will automatically appear
                                on
                                > Froogle. There's currently no way to have your ads appear only on Froogle
                                > and not our partner sites or Google.com. Google Premium Sponsorship ads do
                                > not appear on Froogle. To learn more about the advantages of advertising
                                > with Google, visit the Google AdWords home page.
                                <quote>

                                Hence, you must be a google ad words active member. We stopped using Google
                                AdWords because of the cost and sale ratio. Notice it doesn't say if you are
                                NOT a Google AdWords advertiser. Do you see that part? Not I ;) Seems to be
                                a perk to get more signups with the AdWords program and I am sure it will
                                get new people trying it and drive the cost of advertising per click through
                                the roof as they want it to.

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                                ----- Original Message -----
                                From: "Debra Sawyers" <[email protected]>
                                To: "Miva Merchant Group" <[email protected]>
                                Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 9:25 AM
                                Subject: Re: [mru] OT: Do you Froogle?


                                > on 12/13/02 3:19 AM, Webmaster at [email protected] wrote:
                                >
                                > > Sounds like you do pay. From what I read you must be a AdWords customer
                                to
                                > > sign up and I have not found them very helpful after hundreds of dollars
                                of
                                > > advertising. The referral rate simply sucked! (Sorry for the word ;)
                                Maybe
                                > > all our sites just do not attract as many customers. Who knows....
                                > >
                                >
                                > You must not have read far enough. (items #6 and #7)
                                > <A HREF ="http://www.froogle.google.com/froogle/merchants.html#cost">http://www.froogle.google.com/froogle/merchants.html#cost</A>
                                >
                                >
                                > 6. How much do I have to pay to be part of Froogle?
                                >
                                > Zip. Zero. Nada. Zilch. Nothing. Inclusion in Froogle is absolutely free.
                                > Our goal is to enable users to search over the broadest possible range of
                                > products for sale online. To do that, we're including all merchants at no
                                > charge. If you really want to pay us, however, we are more than happy to
                                > sell you advertising (see below).
                                >
                                > 7. How do I advertise on Froogle?
                                >
                                > If you are a Google AdWords advertiser and have requested that Google
                                > distribute your ads to our partner sites, they will automatically appear
                                on
                                > Froogle. There's currently no way to have your ads appear only on Froogle
                                > and not our partner sites or Google.com. Google Premium Sponsorship ads do
                                > not appear on Froogle. To learn more about the advantages of advertising
                                > with Google, visit the Google AdWords home page.
                                >
                                >
                                > Debra Sawyers, Web Developer
                                > Tama Graphics & Marketing, Inc.
                                > <A HREF ="http://www.tamagraphics.com">http://www.tamagraphics.com</A>
                                > 525 Greenfield Road
                                > Lancaster, PA 17601
                                > (717) 295-9510 x610
                                >
                                >

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