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    #31
    Store Front showing 3 times



    You seem to have 3 individual <HTML> <BODY> </BODY> pairs hence 3 pages it
    looks like the code has been replicated thrice:(

    In NS 4.7 the layout looks a bit odd and some images dont display - spaces
    in the file names "wu left header.jpg" - Netscape doesn't like these. You
    need to rename these if you want them displayed. NS 6.1 is ok though
    John Lodge
    http://marinestore.co.uk

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Sebenza Studios - Scott" <[email protected]>
    To: "Merchant Users" <[email protected]>
    Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 5:44 PM
    Subject: Re: [mru] Store Front showing 3 times


    here is the URL: <A HREF ="http://www.wuwearshoes.com <http://www.wuwearshoes.com>">http://www.wuwearshoes.com <http://www.wuwearshoes.com></A>




    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Sebenza Studios - Scott <mailto:[email protected]>
    To: Merchant Users <mailto:[email protected]>
    Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 11:39 AM
    Subject: [mru] Store Front showing 3 times

    Hello-
    Anyone know why the storefront would show 3 times on top of each other
    but
    not on the rest of the pages? I seem to be overlooking something or just
    stumped.

    Thanks,
    Scott

    Comment

      #32
      Store Front showing 3 times



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      That is a good point John... I will have to let the site owner know. I
      basically do functionality. And yes, the code is being run through 3
      times some how. But if you add Screen=3DSFNT
      <<A HREF ="http://www.wuwearshoes.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=3DWUCS&Store_Co=">http://www.wuwearshoes.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=3DWUCS&Store_Co=</A>
      de
      =3DW> &Store_Code=3DW it works fine. I have made some changes to where =
      the
      site works now, but not without the Screen=3DSFNT
      <<A HREF ="http://www.wuwearshoes.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=3DWUCS&Store_Co=">http://www.wuwearshoes.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=3DWUCS&Store_Co=</A>
      de
      =3DW> &Store_Code=3DW.
      =20
      Scott
      =20

      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: John <mailto:[email protected]> Lodge=20
      To: Sebenza Studios - Scott <mailto:[email protected]> ;
      [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> =20
      Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 12:25 PM
      Subject: Re: [mru] Store Front showing 3 times

      You seem to have 3 individual <HTML> <BODY> </BODY> pairs hence 3 =
      pages
      it
      looks like the code has been replicated thrice:(

      In NS 4.7 the layout looks a bit odd and some images dont display -
      spaces
      in the file names "wu left header.jpg" - Netscape doesn't like these.
      You
      need to rename these if you want them displayed. NS 6.1 is ok though
      John Lodge
      http://marinestore.co.uk <http://marinestore.co.uk>=20

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Sebenza Studios - Scott" < [email protected]
      <mailto:[email protected]> >
      To: "Merchant Users" < [email protected]
      <mailto:[email protected]> >
      Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 5:44 PM
      Subject: Re: [mru] Store Front showing 3 times


      here is the URL: <A HREF ="http://www.wuwearshoes.com =">http://www.wuwearshoes.com =</A>
      <<A HREF ="http://www.wuwearshoes.com>">http://www.wuwearshoes.com></A>
      < <A HREF ="http://www.wuwearshoes.com <http://www.wuwearshoes.com> >">http://www.wuwearshoes.com <http://www.wuwearshoes.com> ></A>




      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Sebenza Studios - Scott < mailto:[email protected]
      <mailto:[email protected]> >
      To: Merchant Users < mailto:[email protected]
      <mailto:[email protected]> >
      Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 11:39 AM
      Subject: [mru] Store Front showing 3 times

      Hello-
      Anyone know why the storefront would show 3 times on top of each other
      but
      not on the rest of the pages? I seem to be overlooking something or =
      just
      stumped.

      Thanks,
      Scott

      Comment

        #33
        Store Front showing 3 times



        How did you setup your left border/nav bar? How did you set it up to show
        on the account page, search, and product list? Any mmui modification or
        modules to do this? Could that be the culprit?

        ----------
        >From: "Sebenza Studios - Scott" <[email protected]>
        >To: "Merchant Users" <[email protected]>
        >Subject: Re: [mru] Store Front showing 3 times
        >Date: Thu, Aug 16, 2001, 12:44 PM
        >

        > here is the URL: <A HREF ="http://www.wuwearshoes.com <http://www.wuwearshoes.com>">http://www.wuwearshoes.com <http://www.wuwearshoes.com></A>
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: Sebenza Studios - Scott <mailto:[email protected]>
        > To: Merchant Users <mailto:[email protected]>
        > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 11:39 AM
        > Subject: [mru] Store Front showing 3 times
        >
        > Hello-
        > Anyone know why the storefront would show 3 times on top of each other
        > but
        > not on the rest of the pages? I seem to be overlooking something or just
        > stumped.
        >
        > Thanks,
        > Scott
        >

        Comment

          #34
          Store Front showing 3 times




          >
          > Hey Brett-
          > Patent on what?

          Three stores for the price of one!

          > I don't know why it would show up differently without the
          > Screen=SFNT&Store_Code=W. It has been working fine for months and then
          > boom... no more. I did create a few new screens ... but it should not
          > affect the SFNT.

          Before the boom...no more, did you upgrade the OUI? Or add new modules?
          Seems like one of your modules may have "unhooked" itself. Try going through
          modules and hitting the Update button for each one. Or remove and reinstall
          your extra screens extension. I haven't been following the OUI updates
          closely, but maybe a hook changed or there's a bug in the latest? Actually,
          seems like you don't have the latest, so also try upgrading the OUI.

          In regard to the actual problem: doesn't seem like it's affecting the SFNT
          screen, as that screen works, as evidenced by being able to access the SFNT
          correctly when the screen code is included in the URL. And on the third
          iteration of the phantom process the SFNT is also displaying correctly.
          There are three sets of HEAD tags so it seems that Begin_Screen is being
          called more than once. UIModule_Dispatch is the place to look first. The
          first two fake storefronts/screens don't display your welcome message so the
          problem seems to be before *UI_StoreFront is called. Somehow the screen
          lookup is failing. But if it was working before, then there's probably no
          need to look at the code--make sure the hooks are OK. Another confounding
          factor could be that your host upgraded Empresa, but AFAIK, this still
          wouldn't account for your problem. If you try everything else and still
          can't get it, try posting over on coders and someone wiser than me may be
          able to help.

          Regards,
          Bret.
          VikingCoders -- http://vikingcoders.com
          For support services, modules, and custom development



          > Scott
          >
          >
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: Viking Coders <mailto:[email protected]>
          > To: Sebenza Studios - Scott <mailto:[email protected]> ;
          > Merchant <mailto:[email protected]> Users
          > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 12:20 PM
          > Subject: RE: [mru] Store Front showing 3 times
          >
          >
          > You got a patent on that Scott? It's pretty cool.
          >
          > Interestingly, when you go directly to the storefront with the url:
          > http://216.36.255.159/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=SFNT
          > <http://216.36.255.159/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=SFNT&Store_Code=W>
          > &Store_Code=W
          > ...it shows normally. Made any changes to storefront selection layout?
          > Or
          > rewritten any screens?
          >
          > Regards,
          > Bret.
          > VikingCoders -- http://vikingcoders.com <http://vikingcoders.com>
          > For support services, modules, and custom development
          >
          > > -----Original Message-----
          > > From: [email protected]
          > <mailto:[email protected]>
          > > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Sebenza Studios -
          > > Scott
          > > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 12:45 PM
          > > To: Merchant Users
          > > Subject: Re: [mru] Store Front showing 3 times
          > >
          > >
          > > here is the URL: <A HREF ="http://www.wuwearshoes.com">http://www.wuwearshoes.com</A>
          > <<A HREF ="http://www.wuwearshoes.com> < http://www.wuwearshoes.com">http://www.wuwearshoes.com> < http://www.wuwearshoes.com</A>
          > <<A HREF ="http://www.wuwearshoes.com> >">http://www.wuwearshoes.com> ></A>
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > From: Sebenza Studios - Scott < mailto:[email protected]
          > <mailto:[email protected]> >
          > > To: Merchant Users < mailto:[email protected]
          > <mailto:[email protected]> >
          > > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 11:39 AM
          > > Subject: [mru] Store Front showing 3 times
          > >
          > > Hello-
          > > Anyone know why the storefront would show 3 times on top of each other
          > > but
          > > not on the rest of the pages? I seem to be overlooking something or
          > just
          > > stumped.
          > >
          > > Thanks,
          > > Scott
          > >

          Comment

            #35
            Store Front showing 3 times



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            Its all coded into a system extension OUI module. The store has not =
            been
            touched for a few months so I dont know why it would all of a sudden
            start doing this. However I think I have a solution. Thanks again.
            =20
            Scott
            =20

            ----- Original Message -----=20
            From: Ahmed <mailto:[email protected]> Saad=20
            To: Sebenza Studios - Scott <mailto:[email protected]> ;
            Merchant <mailto:[email protected]> Users=20
            Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 1:10 PM
            Subject: Re: [mru] Store Front showing 3 times

            How did you setup your left border/nav bar? How did you set it up to
            show
            on the account page, search, and product list? Any mmui modification =
            or
            modules to do this? Could that be the culprit?

            ----------
            >From: "Sebenza Studios - Scott" < [email protected]
            <mailto:[email protected]> >
            >To: "Merchant Users" < [email protected]
            <mailto:[email protected]> >
            >Subject: Re: [mru] Store Front showing 3 times
            >Date: Thu, Aug 16, 2001, 12:44 PM
            >

            > here is the URL: <A HREF ="http://www.wuwearshoes.com">http://www.wuwearshoes.com</A>
            <<A HREF ="http://www.wuwearshoes.com> < http://www.wuwearshoes.com">http://www.wuwearshoes.com> < http://www.wuwearshoes.com</A>
            <<A HREF ="http://www.wuwearshoes.com> >">http://www.wuwearshoes.com> ></A>
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: Sebenza Studios - Scott < mailto:[email protected]
            <mailto:[email protected]> >
            > To: Merchant Users < mailto:[email protected]
            <mailto:[email protected]> >
            > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 11:39 AM
            > Subject: [mru] Store Front showing 3 times
            >
            > Hello-
            > Anyone know why the storefront would show 3 times on top of each =
            other
            > but
            > not on the rest of the pages? I seem to be overlooking something or
            just
            > stumped.
            >
            > Thanks,
            > Scott
            >

            Comment

              #36
              Store Front showing 3 times



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              Hey Bret-
              Thanks for the input... with that, I think I have a solution.
              =20
              Scott
              =20

              ----- Original Message -----=20
              From: Viking Coders <mailto:[email protected]> =20
              To: Sebenza Studios - Scott <mailto:[email protected]> ;
              Merchant <mailto:[email protected]> Users=20
              Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 1:17 PM
              Subject: RE: [mru] Store Front showing 3 times


              >
              > Hey Brett-
              > Patent on what?

              Three stores for the price of one!

              > I don't know why it would show up differently without the
              > Screen=3DSFNT&Store_Code=3DW. It has been working fine for months and =
              then
              > boom... no more. I did create a few new screens ... but it should not
              > affect the SFNT.

              Before the boom...no more, did you upgrade the OUI? Or add new modules?
              Seems like one of your modules may have "unhooked" itself. Try going
              through
              modules and hitting the Update button for each one. Or remove and
              reinstall
              your extra screens extension. I haven't been following the OUI updates
              closely, but maybe a hook changed or there's a bug in the latest?
              Actually,
              seems like you don't have the latest, so also try upgrading the OUI.

              In regard to the actual problem: doesn't seem like it's affecting the
              SFNT
              screen, as that screen works, as evidenced by being able to access the
              SFNT
              correctly when the screen code is included in the URL. And on the third
              iteration of the phantom process the SFNT is also displaying correctly.
              There are three sets of HEAD tags so it seems that Begin_Screen is =
              being
              called more than once. UIModule_Dispatch is the place to look first. =
              The
              first two fake storefronts/screens don't display your welcome message =
              so
              the
              problem seems to be before *UI_StoreFront is called. Somehow the screen
              lookup is failing. But if it was working before, then there's probably
              no
              need to look at the code--make sure the hooks are OK. Another
              confounding
              factor could be that your host upgraded Empresa, but AFAIK, this still
              wouldn't account for your problem. If you try everything else and still
              can't get it, try posting over on coders and someone wiser than me may
              be
              able to help.

              Regards,
              Bret.
              VikingCoders -- http://vikingcoders.com <http://vikingcoders.com>=20
              For support services, modules, and custom development



              > Scott
              >
              >
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: Viking Coders < mailto:[email protected]
              <mailto:[email protected]> >
              > To: Sebenza Studios - Scott < mailto:[email protected]
              <mailto:[email protected]> > ;
              > Merchant < mailto:[email protected]
              <mailto:[email protected]> > Users
              > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 12:20 PM
              > Subject: RE: [mru] Store Front showing 3 times
              >
              >
              > You got a patent on that Scott? It's pretty cool.
              >
              > Interestingly, when you go directly to the storefront with the url:
              > http://216.36.255.159/Merchant2/merc...?Screen=3DSFNT
              <http://216.36.255.159/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=3DSFNT>=20
              > < http://216.36.255.159/Merchant2/merc...?Screen=3DSFNT
              <http://216.36.255.159/Merchant2/merc...Store_Code=3D=
              W>
              &Store_Code=3DW>
              > &Store_Code=3DW
              > ...it shows normally. Made any changes to storefront selection =
              layout?
              > Or
              > rewritten any screens?
              >
              > Regards,
              > Bret.
              > VikingCoders -- http://vikingcoders.com <http://vikingcoders.com> <
              http://vikingcoders.com <http://vikingcoders.com> >
              > For support services, modules, and custom development
              >
              > > -----Original Message-----
              > > From: [email protected]
              <mailto:[email protected]>=20
              > < mailto:[email protected]
              <mailto:[email protected]> >
              > > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Sebenza Studios =
              -
              > > Scott
              > > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 12:45 PM
              > > To: Merchant Users
              > > Subject: Re: [mru] Store Front showing 3 times
              > >
              > >
              > > here is the URL: <A HREF ="http://www.wuwearshoes.com">http://www.wuwearshoes.com</A>
              <<A HREF ="http://www.wuwearshoes.com>=20">http://www.wuwearshoes.com>=20</A>
              > < <A HREF ="http://www.wuwearshoes.com <http://www.wuwearshoes.com> > <">http://www.wuwearshoes.com <http://www.wuwearshoes.com> > <</A>
              <A HREF ="http://www.wuwearshoes.com <http://www.wuwearshoes.com>=20">http://www.wuwearshoes.com <http://www.wuwearshoes.com>=20</A>
              > < <A HREF ="http://www.wuwearshoes.com <http://www.wuwearshoes.com> > >">http://www.wuwearshoes.com <http://www.wuwearshoes.com> > ></A>
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > ----- Original Message -----
              > > From: Sebenza Studios - Scott < mailto:[email protected]
              <mailto:[email protected]>=20
              > < mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >
              >
              > > To: Merchant Users < mailto:[email protected]
              <mailto:[email protected]>=20
              > < mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >
              > > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 11:39 AM
              > > Subject: [mru] Store Front showing 3 times
              > >
              > > Hello-
              > > Anyone know why the storefront would show 3 times on top of each
              other
              > > but
              > > not on the rest of the pages? I seem to be overlooking something or
              > just
              > > stumped.
              > >
              > > Thanks,
              > > Scott
              > >

              Comment

                #37
                Store Front showing 3 times



                Thanks JD. I am forwarding it to the group as Scott from Sebenza =
                Studios=20
                was having this problem.

                Thanks again!

                ----------
                >From: [email protected]
                >To: "Ahmed Saad" <[email protected]>
                >Subject: RE: [mru] Store Front showing 3 times
                >Date: Thu, Aug 16, 2001, 4:26 PM
                >

                > I was getting it twice and found the culprit(s) to be, (well actually =
                my
                > ignorance was guilty) I was using "Display Wizard" and checked the =
                box at
                > the top right for "Tight display" and then in system extension =
                configuration
                > I had the module "OpenUI Extension (tight display category and =
                product
                > screens)" installed as well. You probably have a third overlap as =
                well. I
                > should mention it wasn't as simple as unchecking the options to =
                relieve the
                > data, for some reason the database wouldn't let go of the information =
                until
                > I uninstalled and all components and then I even had to delete the =
                OpenUI
                > extension module from the mall then finally (miraculously) on one of =
                the
                > several consecutive pack data attempts, yeah! A likely culprit for =
                your
                > third is Tweak OUI. Also know that I corrupted my data the very first =
                time I
                > touched Merchant and am still suffering occasional stress from it, =
                maybe it
                > isn't too late for you. Just tryin' to help, please be advised, I =
                suspect I
                > may be an idiot when it comes to this craft. LUCK!!!
                >
                > --
                > Sincerely,
                > JD Blankenship
                > freSHROOMS.com
                > 1230 HWY 141
                > White Salmon, WA, 98672
                > PH: (509) 493-3433 FX: (509) 493-4925
                > [email protected] www.freshrooms.com
                >
                > Visit our Secure Online Store
                > <<A HREF ="http://www.freshrooms.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?>">http://www.freshrooms.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?></A>
                > FREE 30-day storefront .
                > <https://secure.miva.net/setup/setup.mv?partner=3Dncht7>
                > Want to know What=92s Fresh at freSHROOMS? Join our Mailing List
                > <A HREF ="http://www.freshrooms.com/maillist.php">http://www.freshrooms.com/maillist.php</A>
                > How was the service? Report Card
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                > freSHROOMS now accepts PayPal
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                >
                >
                > -----Original Message-----
                > From: [email protected]
                > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Ahmed Saad
                > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 11:11 AM
                > To: Sebenza Studios - Scott; Merchant Users
                > Subject: Re: [mru] Store Front showing 3 times
                >
                >
                > How did you setup your left border/nav bar? How did you set it up to =
                show
                > on the account page, search, and product list? Any mmui modification =
                or
                > modules to do this? Could that be the culprit?
                >
                > ----------
                >>From: "Sebenza Studios - Scott" <[email protected]>
                >>To: "Merchant Users" <[email protected]>
                >>Subject: Re: [mru] Store Front showing 3 times
                >>Date: Thu, Aug 16, 2001, 12:44 PM
                >>
                >
                >> here is the URL: <A HREF ="http://www.wuwearshoes.com =">http://www.wuwearshoes.com =</A>
                <<A HREF ="http://www.wuwearshoes.com>">http://www.wuwearshoes.com></A>
                >>
                >>
                >>
                >>
                >> ----- Original Message -----
                >> From: Sebenza Studios - Scott <mailto:[email protected]>
                >> To: Merchant Users <mailto:[email protected]>
                >> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 11:39 AM
                >> Subject: [mru] Store Front showing 3 times
                >>
                >> Hello-
                >> Anyone know why the storefront would show 3 times on top of each =
                other
                >> but
                >> not on the rest of the pages? I seem to be overlooking something or =
                just
                >> stumped.
                >>
                >> Thanks,
                >> Scott
                >>

                Comment

                  #38
                  Store Front showing 3 times



                  Ah . . . empressa upgrades, Merchant upgrades, oui upgrades, module upgrades
                  . . . I used to wonder how the pc with all the software installed
                  would/could run at all!

                  . . . and hooks . . . good luck and happy merchanting ;)

                  jgl

                  -----Original Message-----

                  Hey Bret-
                  Thanks for the input... with that, I think I have a solution.

                  Scott


                  Comment

                    #39
                    Categories In Nav Bar



                    Display wizard pro from design extend allows you to add buttons to the nav
                    bar and / or add a second row below the nav bar with buttons.

                    Then you can remove the cat tree in admin.

                    I am not sure if you need the Display wizard pro or the non-pro may be good
                    enough


                    David
                    Duvys Web Design & Development



                    -----Original Message-----
                    From: [email protected]
                    [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of [email protected]
                    Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 2:21 PM
                    To: Miva - Users
                    Subject: [mru] Categories In Nav Bar


                    Hi,

                    I only have two categories in my store.

                    I'd like to remove the category column and product list and then move
                    the category links to the top Nav Bar.

                    Any suggestions on the best way would be appreciated.

                    Thanks !

                    raymond


                    Comment

                      #40
                      SEK2 Search engine killer



                      The text with a font size of 1 that sek generates at the top of all pages
                      could be a problem with some search engines.

                      Jason
                      JMH Web Services
                      <A HREF ="http://www.jmhonline.net/">http://www.jmhonline.net/</A>

                      > Hmm doorway pages is a big Don't on Google.
                      > Can anyone clarify what an offending doorway page is ala google?
                      >
                      > <A HREF ="http://www.google.com/webmasters/dos.html">http://www.google.com/webmasters/dos.html</A>
                      > Don't:
                      >
                      > * Cloak.
                      > * Write text or create links that can be seen by search engines but
                      > not by visitors to your site.
                      > * Participate in link exchanges for the sole purpose of increasing
                      > your ranking in search engines.
                      > * Send automated queries to Google in an attempt to monitor your
                      > site's ranking.
                      > * Use programs that generate lots of generic doorway pages.
                      > -Barrett
                      > [email protected]
                      > http://creativepapersonline.com
                      > Hosted by Cybrhost.com MM 4.12-OUI 4.30


                      Comment

                        #41
                        SEK2 Search engine killer



                        Barrett, I could show you some doorway pages generated by a service that
                        charges $1,500 up front and $90/mo for quarterly submissions. They are butt
                        ugly, images stretched, text askew, but it doesn't matter for the search
                        engines, WHEREAS for the indexers, like Yahoo, etc. that don't spider, but
                        are supposed to be browsed by humans, it does need to look and be relevant
                        and neat. But since I haven't used SEK, have no idea how you can set it up,
                        Cyn


                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: "Barrett Butler" <[email protected]>
                        To: <[email protected]>
                        Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 7:14 AM
                        Subject: [mru] SEK2 Search engine killer


                        > I'm doing some initial testing with SEK2 by first just working on
                        optimizing
                        > the look of the index page.
                        > I have found that it (it defined as sek + all other variables affecting
                        > output) is making a lot of bad html. Just to emphasize; that I don't want
                        to
                        > single out SEK2 as it looks like it is going to be an extremely useful
                        tool
                        > and most certainly it is probably something on my end.
                        > What I'm finding is a lot of <td> or <tr> or already defined errors or
                        extra
                        > table artifacts just floating around in the source between table by
                        > themselves and several instances of no starting or ending tags here and
                        > there.
                        >
                        > <<A HREF ="http://www.creativepapersonline.com/store/static_index.html>">http://www.creativepapersonline.com/store/static_index.html></A>
                        > That is a page I did a bunch of fixing numerous table artifacts on.
                        > <<A HREF ="http://www.creativepapersonline.com/store/index.html>">http://www.creativepapersonline.com/store/index.html></A>
                        > Is untouched page generated by SEK2.
                        >
                        > What tip and tricks do those of you that are using it already have up your
                        > sleeves?
                        > Thanks,
                        > -Barrett
                        > [email protected]
                        > http://creativepapersonline.com
                        > Hosted by Cybrhost.com MM 4.12-OUI 4.30
                        >
                        >


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                          #42
                          SEK2 Search engine killer



                          Hmm doorway pages is a big Don't on Google.
                          Can anyone clarify what an offending doorway page is ala google?

                          <A HREF ="http://www.google.com/webmasters/dos.html">http://www.google.com/webmasters/dos.html</A>
                          Don't:

                          * Cloak.
                          * Write text or create links that can be seen by search engines but
                          not by visitors to your site.
                          * Participate in link exchanges for the sole purpose of increasing
                          your ranking in search engines.
                          * Send automated queries to Google in an attempt to monitor your
                          site's ranking.
                          * Use programs that generate lots of generic doorway pages.
                          -Barrett
                          [email protected]
                          http://creativepapersonline.com
                          Hosted by Cybrhost.com MM 4.12-OUI 4.30


                          On Wednesday, July 3, 2002, at 10:23 AM, Cynthia Carlon wrote:

                          > Barrett, I could show you some doorway pages generated by a service that
                          > charges $1,500 up front and $90/mo for quarterly submissions. They are
                          > butt
                          > ugly, images stretched, text askew, but it doesn't matter for the search
                          > engines, WHEREAS for the indexers, like Yahoo, etc. that don't spider,
                          > but
                          > are supposed to be browsed by humans, it does need to look and be
                          > relevant
                          > and neat. But since I haven't used SEK, have no idea how you can set it
                          > up,
                          > Cyn
                          >
                          >
                          > ----- Original Message -----
                          > From: "Barrett Butler" <[email protected]>
                          > To: <[email protected]>
                          > Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 7:14 AM
                          > Subject: [mru] SEK2 Search engine killer
                          >
                          >
                          >> I'm doing some initial testing with SEK2 by first just working on
                          > optimizing
                          >> the look of the index page.
                          >> I have found that it (it defined as sek + all other variables affecting
                          >> output) is making a lot of bad html. Just to emphasize; that I don't
                          >> want
                          > to
                          >> single out SEK2 as it looks like it is going to be an extremely useful
                          > tool
                          >> and most certainly it is probably something on my end.
                          >> What I'm finding is a lot of <td> or <tr> or already defined errors or
                          > extra
                          >> table artifacts just floating around in the source between table by
                          >> themselves and several instances of no starting or ending tags here and
                          >> there.
                          >>
                          >> <<A HREF ="http://www.creativepapersonline.com/store/static_index.html>">http://www.creativepapersonline.com/store/static_index.html></A>
                          >> That is a page I did a bunch of fixing numerous table artifacts on.
                          >> <<A HREF ="http://www.creativepapersonline.com/store/index.html>">http://www.creativepapersonline.com/store/index.html></A>
                          >> Is untouched page generated by SEK2.
                          >>
                          >> What tip and tricks do those of you that are using it already have up
                          >> your
                          >> sleeves?
                          >> Thanks,
                          >> -Barrett
                          >> [email protected]
                          >> http://creativepapersonline.com
                          >> Hosted by Cybrhost.com MM 4.12-OUI 4.30
                          >>
                          >>
                          >
                          >
                          >

                          Comment

                            #43
                            SEK2 Search engine killer



                            Oops, accidentally washed your last replies away. The purpose of a doorway
                            is to provide ALL the relevant text relating to the keywords that would look
                            stupid and redundant to visitors. It's not supposed to trick SE's but serve
                            as an asset. State Farm years ago were the first ones to use the technique
                            and everyone sat back to see what would happen. They were #1 on the lists
                            and the feedback was the doorways were relevant and precise to their
                            business. Because of the idiots out there now using doorways pertaining to
                            Honda and the actual site is ***** is causing trouble for all. Andrea
                            should probably have last say on this issue. My sites have been listed with
                            and without doorways. Cyn

                            BTW, I can't send you the doorways, it would be a breach of their contract.
                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: "Cynthia Carlon" <[email protected]>
                            To: "Barrett Butler" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
                            Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 9:23 AM
                            Subject: Re: [mru] SEK2 Search engine killer


                            > Barrett, I could show you some doorway pages generated by a service that
                            > charges $1,500 up front and $90/mo for quarterly submissions. They are
                            butt
                            > ugly, images stretched, text askew, but it doesn't matter for the search
                            > engines, WHEREAS for the indexers, like Yahoo, etc. that don't spider, but
                            > are supposed to be browsed by humans, it does need to look and be
                            relevant
                            > and neat. But since I haven't used SEK, have no idea how you can set it
                            up,
                            > Cyn
                            >
                            >
                            > ----- Original Message -----
                            > From: "Barrett Butler" <[email protected]>
                            > To: <[email protected]>
                            > Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 7:14 AM
                            > Subject: [mru] SEK2 Search engine killer
                            >
                            >
                            > > I'm doing some initial testing with SEK2 by first just working on
                            > optimizing
                            > > the look of the index page.
                            > > I have found that it (it defined as sek + all other variables affecting
                            > > output) is making a lot of bad html. Just to emphasize; that I don't
                            want
                            > to
                            > > single out SEK2 as it looks like it is going to be an extremely useful
                            > tool
                            > > and most certainly it is probably something on my end.
                            > > What I'm finding is a lot of <td> or <tr> or already defined errors or
                            > extra
                            > > table artifacts just floating around in the source between table by
                            > > themselves and several instances of no starting or ending tags here and
                            > > there.
                            > >
                            > > <<A HREF ="http://www.creativepapersonline.com/store/static_index.html>">http://www.creativepapersonline.com/store/static_index.html></A>
                            > > That is a page I did a bunch of fixing numerous table artifacts on.
                            > > <<A HREF ="http://www.creativepapersonline.com/store/index.html>">http://www.creativepapersonline.com/store/index.html></A>
                            > > Is untouched page generated by SEK2.
                            > >
                            > > What tip and tricks do those of you that are using it already have up
                            your
                            > > sleeves?
                            > > Thanks,
                            > > -Barrett
                            > > [email protected]
                            > > http://creativepapersonline.com
                            > > Hosted by Cybrhost.com MM 4.12-OUI 4.30
                            > >
                            > >
                            >
                            >
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                            >

                            Comment

                              #44
                              SEK2 Search engine killer




                              Oh. Just worked out what that "-" is. You have not entered any
                              keywords in the Basic Config.

                              Two things. Firstly, you are very welcome to take what SEK2
                              creates and change it from a "design" perspective to match the
                              look and feel of your site to perfection.. but why? SEK2 is a way
                              to generate lots of content with little effort. The purpose of the
                              SEK2 mirror is very specific.. and it ISN'T to have someone surf the
                              mirror.. quite the opposite. So while changes to create visual
                              perfection are a choice you can make.. why do it? You loose the
                              ability to quickly generate the mirror based on the current data in
                              your store.

                              Now as far as perfect HTML go, I have no doubt that you are right..
                              and at the same time what is the implication? I admit to some
                              lazy HTML habits as a developer, and these are around parts of the
                              HTML definition that are states as "the way it should be" but in
                              reality have absolutely zero implication in the real world. The
                              SEK2 mirrors will load very happily in IE and Netscape all the way
                              back to v3.

                              Keith


                              On 3 Jul 2002, at 5:14, Barrett Butler wrote:

                              > I'm doing some initial testing with SEK2 by first just working on optimizing
                              > the look of the index page.
                              > I have found that it (it defined as sek + all other variables affecting
                              > output) is making a lot of bad html. Just to emphasize; that I don't want to
                              > single out SEK2 as it looks like it is going to be an extremely useful tool
                              > and most certainly it is probably something on my end.
                              > What I'm finding is a lot of <td> or <tr> or already defined errors or extra
                              > table artifacts just floating around in the source between table by
                              > themselves and several instances of no starting or ending tags here and
                              > there.
                              >
                              > <<A HREF ="http://www.creativepapersonline.com/store/static_index.html> ">http://www.creativepapersonline.com/store/static_index.html> </A>
                              > That is a page I did a bunch of fixing numerous table artifacts on.
                              > <<A HREF ="http://www.creativepapersonline.com/store/index.html> ">http://www.creativepapersonline.com/store/index.html> </A>
                              > Is untouched page generated by SEK2.
                              >
                              > What tip and tricks do those of you that are using it already have up your
                              > sleeves?
                              > Thanks,
                              > -Barrett
                              > [email protected]
                              > http://creativepapersonline.com
                              > Hosted by Cybrhost.com MM 4.12-OUI 4.30
                              >
                              >


                              Keith Hunniford
                              <A HREF ="http://www.MvCOOL.com - Miva Module Store">http://www.MvCOOL.com - Miva Module Store</A>
                              <A HREF ="http://www.wump.com - Miva Development Services">http://www.wump.com - Miva Development Services</A>

                              Comment

                                #45
                                SEK2 Search engine killer



                                Maybe I'm missing something then.
                                It is my understanding that the search engines that do not index our
                                merchant sites will index the mirror and therefore all the links offered
                                to the public will be directly to a mirror page; right ?
                                If that is the case then what kind of impression is one going to make if
                                the customer sees a crappy page that only a developer would understand
                                that it is just a mirror page to hook search engines ???

                                As far as html goes I was finding stuff like table fragments
                                </TABLE><TR><TD><TABLE CELLPADDING=10>
                                -Barrett
                                [email protected]
                                http://creativepapersonline.com
                                Hosted by Cybrhost.com MM 4.12-OUI 4.30


                                On Wednesday, July 3, 2002, at 01:12 PM, [email protected] wrote:

                                >
                                > Oh. Just worked out what that "-" is. You have not entered any
                                > keywords in the Basic Config.
                                >
                                > Two things. Firstly, you are very welcome to take what SEK2
                                > creates and change it from a "design" perspective to match the
                                > look and feel of your site to perfection.. but why? SEK2 is a way
                                > to generate lots of content with little effort. The purpose of the
                                > SEK2 mirror is very specific.. and it ISN'T to have someone surf the
                                > mirror.. quite the opposite. So while changes to create visual
                                > perfection are a choice you can make.. why do it? You loose the
                                > ability to quickly generate the mirror based on the current data in
                                > your store.
                                >
                                > Now as far as perfect HTML go, I have no doubt that you are right..
                                > and at the same time what is the implication? I admit to some
                                > lazy HTML habits as a developer, and these are around parts of the
                                > HTML definition that are states as "the way it should be" but in
                                > reality have absolutely zero implication in the real world. The
                                > SEK2 mirrors will load very happily in IE and Netscape all the way
                                > back to v3.
                                >
                                > Keith
                                >
                                >
                                > On 3 Jul 2002, at 5:14, Barrett Butler wrote:
                                >
                                >> I'm doing some initial testing with SEK2 by first just working on
                                >> optimizing
                                >> the look of the index page.
                                >> I have found that it (it defined as sek + all other variables affecting
                                >> output) is making a lot of bad html. Just to emphasize; that I don't
                                >> want to
                                >> single out SEK2 as it looks like it is going to be an extremely useful
                                >> tool
                                >> and most certainly it is probably something on my end.
                                >> What I'm finding is a lot of <td> or <tr> or already defined errors or
                                >> extra
                                >> table artifacts just floating around in the source between table by
                                >> themselves and several instances of no starting or ending tags here and
                                >> there.
                                >>
                                >> <<A HREF ="http://www.creativepapersonline.com/store/static_index.html>">http://www.creativepapersonline.com/store/static_index.html></A>
                                >> That is a page I did a bunch of fixing numerous table artifacts on.
                                >> <<A HREF ="http://www.creativepapersonline.com/store/index.html>">http://www.creativepapersonline.com/store/index.html></A>
                                >> Is untouched page generated by SEK2.
                                >>
                                >> What tip and tricks do those of you that are using it already have up
                                >> your
                                >> sleeves?
                                >> Thanks,
                                >> -Barrett
                                >> [email protected]
                                >> http://creativepapersonline.com
                                >> Hosted by Cybrhost.com MM 4.12-OUI 4.30
                                >>
                                >>
                                >
                                >
                                > Keith Hunniford
                                > <A HREF ="http://www.MvCOOL.com - Miva Module Store">http://www.MvCOOL.com - Miva Module Store</A>
                                > <A HREF ="http://www.wump.com - Miva Development Services">http://www.wump.com - Miva Development Services</A>
                                >
                                >

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