[t5c] Category Tree

Any tips on editing the category tree in 5.0. Seem to be missing the =
bread
crumbs..... I looked at Miva 5.0 demo, can't locate much on the tree =
itself?
Seems module based?

Nick

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Nick,

In my time with Merchant 5, I found that I could not edit the
individual "items" on the item list. You pretty much need to be a
module developer to edit these items. Unless Miva allows us end
users to access and edit these items, Merchant 5 is a useless product
for most of us. I think their plan is to sell modules...

Dan

On May 11, 2005, at 5:07 PM, Nick J West wrote:

> Any tips on editing the category tree in 5.0. Seem to be missing
> the bread
> crumbs..... I looked at Miva 5.0 demo, can't locate much on the
> tree itself?
> Seems module based?
>
> Nick


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Yes it would be nice to know if we can edit the "Components" - looks like
you need access to cmp-mmui-cattree

Leslie

> Nick,
>
> In my time with Merchant 5, I found that I could not edit the
> individual "items" on the item list. You pretty much need to be a
> module developer to edit these items. Unless Miva allows us end
> users to access and edit these items, Merchant 5 is a useless product
> for most of us. I think their plan is to sell modules...
>
> Dan
>
> On May 11, 2005, at 5:07 PM, Nick J West wrote:
>
>> Any tips on editing the category tree in 5.0. Seem to be missing
>> the bread
>> crumbs..... I looked at Miva 5.0 demo, can't locate much on the
>> tree itself?
>> Seems module based?
>>
>> Nick
>
>

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Please Miva! I beg of you! Let us edit the "components/items"!
Please! I don't beg often... so this is a big deal :)

Dan

On May 11, 2005, at 5:21 PM, Leslie Nord - Webs Your Way wrote:

> Yes it would be nice to know if we can edit the "Components" -
> looks like
> you need access to cmp-mmui-cattree
>
> Leslie


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[email protected] wrote:
>
> Nick,
>
> In my time with Merchant 5, I found that I could not edit the
> individual "items" on the item list. You pretty much need to be a
> module developer to edit these items. Unless Miva allows us end
> users to access and edit these items, Merchant 5 is a useless product
> for most of us. I think their plan is to sell modules...
>
> Dan

Many of the items have editable configuration screens. The cat tree is
not currently one of them. Send you desires to their wishlist.

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Well at least I was in the right place. I figured it must be
cmp-mmui-cattree, just went dead at that point on making changes.

Wild misrepresentation about full control over look and feel aspect of
promotional material on 5.0.=20

>From Miva: Complete store design control with new Store Morph =
TechnologyT.=20

It surprises me that cat tree isn't one of them as it's quite frequently
mentioned as one of the 'things I wish to change' amongst the forums as =
well
as one of the most individual or 'unique' items on a web site. Not to
mention what an average layman would think includes: 'complete store =
design
control'.

Well, eagerly awaiting a cat tree module folks!

Best regards,

Nick

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To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [t5c] Category Tree


Please Miva! I beg of you! Let us edit the "components/items"! =20
Please! I don't beg often... so this is a big deal :)

Dan

On May 11, 2005, at 5:21 PM, Leslie Nord - Webs Your Way wrote:

> Yes it would be nice to know if we can edit the "Components" -
> looks like
> you need access to cmp-mmui-cattree
>
> Leslie

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On 5/11/05, Nick J West <[email protected]> wrote:
> Well at least I was in the right place. I figured it must be
> cmp-mmui-cattree, just went dead at that point on making changes.
>=20
> Wild misrepresentation about full control over look and feel aspect of
> promotional material on 5.0.
>=20
> From Miva: Complete store design control with new Store Morph TechnologyT=
.
>=20
> It surprises me that cat tree isn't one of them as it's quite frequently
> mentioned as one of the 'things I wish to change' amongst the forums as w=
ell
> as one of the most individual or 'unique' items on a web site. Not to
> mention what an average layman would think includes: 'complete store desi=
gn
> control'.
>=20
> Well, eagerly awaiting a cat tree module folks!

While I'm inclined to agree with you, in their defense, making a
templated cat tree is no small task. I'm not saying it's impossible,
just that's it's a tough job, and even tougher to do it 'right' --
where 'right' equals the perfect balance of features vs. simplicity.

That said, I imagine you'll see a few variations on that theme
(assuming that's possible with 5).
=20
> Best regards,
>=20
> Nick
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
> [email protected]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 4:24 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [t5c] Category Tree
>=20
> Please Miva! I beg of you! Let us edit the "components/items"!
> Please! I don't beg often... so this is a big deal :)
>=20
> Dan
>=20
> On May 11, 2005, at 5:21 PM, Leslie Nord - Webs Your Way wrote:
>=20
> > Yes it would be nice to know if we can edit the "Components" -
> > looks like
> > you need access to cmp-mmui-cattree
> >
> > Leslie
>=20

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OK, I do not want to start a world war here, but it is currently
available in OpenUI and OpenDesigner right now. Not everyone is
going to take their store to this level, but a lot of the more
advanced site developers need this functionality in Merchant 5 for it
to be a viable upgrade from their current Merchant 4 store using
OpenUI/OpenDesigner.

If I were to sit down with a blank Merchant 5 store, I could not make
my current Merchant4/OpenUI site using Merchant 5. I know someone is
going to use the argument that there are not many modules available
for Merchant 5 yet... well I am not using very many modules on my
current Merchant 4 store. Almost all of the modules I use are admin
related like order tracking or store statistics. I got away from
layout modules a long time ago.

Bottom line, I need "complete control" over the layout of my store.

Dan

On May 11, 2005, at 6:37 PM, Bill Guindon wrote:

> While I'm inclined to agree with you, in their defense, making a
> templated cat tree is no small task. I'm not saying it's impossible,
> just that's it's a tough job, and even tougher to do it 'right' --
> where 'right' equals the perfect balance of features vs. simplicity.
>
> That said, I imagine you'll see a few variations on that theme
> (assuming that's possible with 5).


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On 5/11/05, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
> OK, I do not want to start a world war here, but it is currently
> available in OpenUI and OpenDesigner right now. Not everyone is
> going to take their store to this level, but a lot of the more
> advanced site developers need this functionality in Merchant 5 for it
> to be a viable upgrade from their current Merchant 4 store using
> OpenUI/OpenDesigner.

No war. I've done a lot of OpenUI code in the past, but very little
recently. I've never been a fan, and I really haven't followed what
it has (or doesn't have) lately.

I do agree that it's needed. I'd say at least half of the stores I've
worked on have included _some_ customization of the cat tree.

> If I were to sit down with a blank Merchant 5 store, I could not make
> my current Merchant4/OpenUI site using Merchant 5. I know someone is
> going to use the argument that there are not many modules available
> for Merchant 5 yet... well I am not using very many modules on my
> current Merchant 4 store. Almost all of the modules I use are admin
> related like order tracking or store statistics. I got away from
> layout modules a long time ago.

Well, it's probably true that there aren't a lot of modules available
yet. Simple supply and demand would predict that -- better to fix/add
4.x modules atm as that's where the buyers are. That won't be true
forever tho', so hang in there.

On the bright side, I'd rather they left it to the 3rd party market
rather than lock in their own solution. I expect to see a variety of
answers. With any luck, I may even provide one.

> Bottom line, I need "complete control" over the layout of my store.

You'll get it. Just not today. Upgrade when it's ready. And while
you wait, Merchant 5 will have been tested more, and will likely be a
more stable product. You can also use that time to make yourself more
familiar with it.

There's no "need" to upgrade, it's just a "desire" :)

> Dan
>=20
> On May 11, 2005, at 6:37 PM, Bill Guindon wrote:
>=20
> > While I'm inclined to agree with you, in their defense, making a
> > templated cat tree is no small task. I'm not saying it's impossible,
> > just that's it's a tough job, and even tougher to do it 'right' --
> > where 'right' equals the perfect balance of features vs. simplicity.
> >
> > That said, I imagine you'll see a few variations on that theme
> > (assuming that's possible with 5).
>=20
>=20


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Bill Guindon (aka aGorilla)

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For the sake of clarity...

On 5/11/05, Bill Guindon <[email protected]> wrote:
>=20
> I do agree that it's needed. I'd say at least half of the stores I've
> worked on have included _some_ customization of the cat tree.

The "it's" above refers to the ability to customize the category tree,
and not to OpenUI.

--=20
Bill Guindon (aka aGorilla)

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I hear ya Dan - except that I use a combination of VC Templates and OUI to
create my layout - heck I even learned what tokens to use to create the
cat tree where ever my little heart desired it. Come on Miva, can it be
that hard?

Leslie

> OK, I do not want to start a world war here, but it is currently
> available in OpenUI and OpenDesigner right now. Not everyone is
> going to take their store to this level, but a lot of the more
> advanced site developers need this functionality in Merchant 5 for it
> to be a viable upgrade from their current Merchant 4 store using
> OpenUI/OpenDesigner.
>
> If I were to sit down with a blank Merchant 5 store, I could not make
> my current Merchant4/OpenUI site using Merchant 5. I know someone is
> going to use the argument that there are not many modules available
> for Merchant 5 yet... well I am not using very many modules on my
> current Merchant 4 store. Almost all of the modules I use are admin
> related like order tracking or store statistics. I got away from
> layout modules a long time ago.
>
> Bottom line, I need "complete control" over the layout of my store.
>
> Dan
>
> On May 11, 2005, at 6:37 PM, Bill Guindon wrote:
>
>> While I'm inclined to agree with you, in their defense, making a
>> templated cat tree is no small task. I'm not saying it's impossible,
>> just that's it's a tough job, and even tougher to do it 'right' --
>> where 'right' equals the perfect balance of features vs. simplicity.
>>
>> That said, I imagine you'll see a few variations on that theme
>> (assuming that's possible with 5).
>
>

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Bill,

I think you missed my point. I am not upgrading to Merchant 5. I do
have a copy of Merchant 5 so that I may learn the new Miva tokens and
layout templates, but I will not upgrade anytime in the near future,
I can't.

Here is my beef.... My gut tells me that Merchant does not want to
open the entire UI to customization in order to sell modules. (my
opinion for all you listeners) I do not want 3rd party modules for
layout and design. (no offense module developers) I need access to
the templates for not just the category tree, but the attributes, the
buttons, the breadcrumbs etc. etc.

I also wish Miva was a little more open... Merchant 5 was so hush
hush... for what reason? If they were to say hey, this is what we
are working on for future releases, this is the direction we are
heading... that would be great! But I have to tell you, it is really
tough to determine what direction to head when there are no signs.

I have three new sites on the back burner right now. Do I code these
sites in Merchant 4 using OpenUI/OpenDesigner and then have to recode
them in Merchant 5 in six months? ...or do I bite the bullet and
code them in Merchant 5 and end up having to buy a bunch of modules
to get store functionality in the future? ...or do you go with an
entirely different Ecommerce solution?

Miva has put us in a bad spot and they are not communicating with the
end users.... that sucks!

Dan

On May 11, 2005, at 7:14 PM, Bill Gilligan wrote:

> Dan,
> Then you should stay with Merchant 4.
> When more stuff becomes available, review the pro's and con's again
> - say in 6 months.
>
> I hate to say this for fear of starting a new war on this list, but
> the fact is, Miva does not have
> to provide an upgarde path from OpenUI/ Open Designer. If they
> choose to - excellent. But they don't
> have to....
>
> In the mean time - hold off until there are more things available
> that can compare.
>
> Its like buying a new car. If you 'have' to have XM Radio (I love
> it!), but the car you want doesn't
> offer it yet - then either wait, or decide which is more important
> - the car or the radio.... And if
> available - buy a mod to give you the tunes you crave (once it
> becomes available).
>
> But the car manufacturer does not have to offer XM in the new car
> simply because somebody else did
> in the old one....
>
> Bill
>
> =============================
> Bill Gilligan
> Gilligan On-Line
> www.gilliganonline.com
> 850-233-8775


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Leslie,

You can put the category tree wherever you want in mm5
http://jmhonline.net/mvregister.html

Jason


> I hear ya Dan - except that I use a combination of VC Templates and OUI to
> create my layout - heck I even learned what tokens to use to create the
> cat tree where ever my little heart desired it. Come on Miva, can it be
> that hard?
>
> Leslie
>
> > OK, I do not want to start a world war here, but it is currently
> > available in OpenUI and OpenDesigner right now. Not everyone is
> > going to take their store to this level, but a lot of the more
> > advanced site developers need this functionality in Merchant 5 for it
> > to be a viable upgrade from their current Merchant 4 store using
> > OpenUI/OpenDesigner.
> >
> > If I were to sit down with a blank Merchant 5 store, I could not make
> > my current Merchant4/OpenUI site using Merchant 5. I know someone is
> > going to use the argument that there are not many modules available
> > for Merchant 5 yet... well I am not using very many modules on my
> > current Merchant 4 store. Almost all of the modules I use are admin
> > related like order tracking or store statistics. I got away from
> > layout modules a long time ago.
> >
> > Bottom line, I need "complete control" over the layout of my store.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > On May 11, 2005, at 6:37 PM, Bill Guindon wrote:
> >
> >> While I'm inclined to agree with you, in their defense, making a
> >> templated cat tree is no small task. I'm not saying it's impossible,
> >> just that's it's a tough job, and even tougher to do it 'right' --
> >> where 'right' equals the perfect balance of features vs. simplicity.
> >>
> >> That said, I imagine you'll see a few variations on that theme
> >> (assuming that's possible with 5).
> >
> >
>
>
>

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Ummm, yes but can you modify it?

Leslie

> Leslie,
>
> You can put the category tree wherever you want in mm5
> http://jmhonline.net/mvregister.html
>
> Jason
>
>
>> I hear ya Dan - except that I use a combination of VC Templates and OUI
>> to
>> create my layout - heck I even learned what tokens to use to create the
>> cat tree where ever my little heart desired it. Come on Miva, can it be
>> that hard?
>>
>> Leslie
>>
>> > OK, I do not want to start a world war here, but it is currently
>> > available in OpenUI and OpenDesigner right now. Not everyone is
>> > going to take their store to this level, but a lot of the more
>> > advanced site developers need this functionality in Merchant 5 for it
>> > to be a viable upgrade from their current Merchant 4 store using
>> > OpenUI/OpenDesigner.
>> >
>> > If I were to sit down with a blank Merchant 5 store, I could not make
>> > my current Merchant4/OpenUI site using Merchant 5. I know someone is
>> > going to use the argument that there are not many modules available
>> > for Merchant 5 yet... well I am not using very many modules on my
>> > current Merchant 4 store. Almost all of the modules I use are admin
>> > related like order tracking or store statistics. I got away from
>> > layout modules a long time ago.
>> >
>> > Bottom line, I need "complete control" over the layout of my store.
>> >
>> > Dan
>> >
>> > On May 11, 2005, at 6:37 PM, Bill Guindon wrote:
>> >
>> >> While I'm inclined to agree with you, in their defense, making a
>> >> templated cat tree is no small task. I'm not saying it's impossible,
>> >> just that's it's a tough job, and even tougher to do it 'right' --
>> >> where 'right' equals the perfect balance of features vs. simplicity.
>> >>
>> >> That said, I imagine you'll see a few variations on that theme
>> >> (assuming that's possible with 5).
>> >
>> >
>>
>>

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Just responding to
>heck I even learned what tokens to use to create the
>> cat tree where ever my little heart desired it. Come on >Miva, can it be
>> that hard?

Jason


> Ummm, yes but can you modify it?
>
> Leslie
>
> > Leslie,
> >
> > You can put the category tree wherever you want in mm5
> > http://jmhonline.net/mvregister.html
> >
> > Jason
> >
> >
> >> I hear ya Dan - except that I use a combination of VC Templates and OUI
> >> to
> >> create my layout - heck I even learned what tokens to use to create the
> >> cat tree where ever my little heart desired it. Come on Miva, can it be
> >> that hard?
> >>
> >> Leslie
> >>
> >> > OK, I do not want to start a world war here, but it is currently
> >> > available in OpenUI and OpenDesigner right now. Not everyone is
> >> > going to take their store to this level, but a lot of the more
> >> > advanced site developers need this functionality in Merchant 5 for it
> >> > to be a viable upgrade from their current Merchant 4 store using
> >> > OpenUI/OpenDesigner.
> >> >
> >> > If I were to sit down with a blank Merchant 5 store, I could not make
> >> > my current Merchant4/OpenUI site using Merchant 5. I know someone is
> >> > going to use the argument that there are not many modules available
> >> > for Merchant 5 yet... well I am not using very many modules on my
> >> > current Merchant 4 store. Almost all of the modules I use are admin
> >> > related like order tracking or store statistics. I got away from
> >> > layout modules a long time ago.
> >> >
> >> > Bottom line, I need "complete control" over the layout of my store.
> >> >
> >> > Dan
> >> >
> >> > On May 11, 2005, at 6:37 PM, Bill Guindon wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> While I'm inclined to agree with you, in their defense, making a
> >> >> templated cat tree is no small task. I'm not saying it's
impossible,
> >> >> just that's it's a tough job, and even tougher to do it 'right' --
> >> >> where 'right' equals the perfect balance of features vs. simplicity.
> >> >>
> >> >> That said, I imagine you'll see a few variations on that theme
> >> >> (assuming that's possible with 5).
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
>
>
>