Printing to a remote printer when a condition is met

Another major problem that I have to solve is having an order print at
the store when it is added to an order database and then either marking
the order printed successfully.

Is it possible to use mivascript to do something like this and how could
I make it reliable? I'm open to any suggestions, because at the moment
anything would be helpful.

Thank you.

--
Andrew Rosborough <[email protected]>

Mivascript community



Hello everybody...

I have to tell all that I'm in a final phase of a mivascript community web
site project. It's an old dream that I had about that community so in my
spare time I developed the web-site.
I'll describe the site here.. because I really need your opinion

First of all is a non-commercial website.. so I don't expect to make money
with it. It's all for the community and I built it all alone because there
were some failed attempts to build such a project .. and the main problem
was the time of the team, etc.. So I think that was a good choice to make it
all alone.

The concept was to make a public database with all the mivascript
developers. Every developer can create freely an account (where he must
indicate his mivascripting level.. and some other information). He can fill
an online CV (only professional information of course) and even publish his
photo. There is a blog feature on every developer account (that the
developer can administrate too). The developer can also present his
mivascript work (there is a special menu to do that) and link to the
web-sites he made.
Another feature is the Resources side of the site. My idea was to let
developers publish their scripts (compiled or uncompiled) so everybody can
use it. There is a special menu for add/modify/delete scripts in the
developer account. There is a blog also for every published script. A
tutorial section is on the way (but here I need some help from you..) so
every developer can add tutorials.
There is an Online Projects feature also. The idea was to publish open
source projects online. I think there are some developers that have already
some open source mivascript projects and this could be a good place to
publish and promote them.
I want to make a mivascript functions database with a search engine. It
could be a good idea to build it in the same way as php.net. What I
appreciate out there are the examples for every function. So my idea was to
let developers "blog" every function with examples.
We have also a forum.. but I'm searching a way to make it work by e-mail
(like this one).. perhaps someone have already this functionality.. and want
to participate with it.. Else I'll be forced to make it all alone :)

The next step will be to make a small "rent a coder" platform but that's
just an idea for the moment.(of course for free for the both sides projects
ppl and coders)

So I really need help to the following points:

1. Language. I'm not English.. so I need help "translating" this site.
2. Domain name. I have mivascript.org .. and I want to use it. I already
sent some e-mails to the Miva Corporation to ask permission to use it.. but
no answer. So I don't know if I have the right to use it or not (once again
is for the mivascript community and it is not a commercial website). I
really don't want to change the domain name because I think it is very
appropriate for those who are searching mivascript resources... What do you
think?
3. The tutorial side of the website. I would like to know which would the
best way to make this module (back-office functionality). There are some
developers on the list that already done some tutorials.. so I think they
can give examples about the easiest way to make it (I already integrated
htmlarea editor to publish text.. so I think this can make it easier to
create tutorials)
4. The Online Projects side. I don't think that is a good idea to copy
sourceforge.net because it's too complicated. If someone can give ideas
about how would be better to make it.. would be great.
5. Do you think it's a non-sense to make all those efforts ?
6. Do you believe that will be a dead-born project ? :)

There is no preview online for the moment because is not finished. But I'll
be able to show something very soon. That why I wanted your opinion.. I want
to give everybody the possibility to participate with ideas.

PS: All the website is developed in mivascript and it's a modular system...
so new functionality are very easy to implement. If you have other ideas
just let me know..


Thank you all for your efforts understanding my English.. Sorry for that.

Best regards,
Claudiu Bischoff

Printing to a remote printer when a condition is met



> Another major problem that I have to solve is having an order print at
> the store when it is added to an order database and then either marking
> the order printed successfully.
>
> Is it possible to use mivascript to do something like this and how coul=
d
> I make it reliable? I'm open to any suggestions, because at the moment
> anything would be helpful.
>
You have two choices:
1/ With MvCALL, posting the data to a suitable script (Perl, PHP, etc. =
but
Python is the best at any time :-) ) Those unrestricted languages hav=
e
access to the neccessary resources to do, e.g,, remote printing. The P*
script could also post back to your MivaScript or somewhere else.
2/ Use e-mail for communication. Construct and send an e-mail which is se=
tup
to be printed at the right place. I'd probably prefer this alternative. =
The
P(ython) script would receive the mail, do the printing and post back.

I have used both techniques and they work fine.

Best,
Mikl=F3s

PRISZNY=C1K Mikl=F3s
---
Jegenye 2001 Bt.
Egyedi szoftverk=E9sz=EDt=E9s, tan=E1csad=E1s | Custom software developme=
nt,
consulting
Magyarul: http://jegenye2001.parkhosting.com
In English: http://jegenye2001.parkhosting.com/en

Printing to a remote printer when a condition is met



We did something like this my sending an E-fax based on the outcome of a script event. If
presentation is an issue, just get one of those multi-function printers. The upside of
this method is that it only needs a printer, no computer, no computer operation. (This is
done to send orders to a warehouse.) The downside is the cost of the E-fax.


-Bruce
......................................
PHOSPHOR Media
Featuring: StoreMan - A smarter way to manage Miva Merchant(tm) Store Content.
Download a hassle-free demo today
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......................................




> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On
> Behalf Of Jegenye 2001 Bt
> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 7:00 AM
> To: Andrew Rosborough; [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [meu] Printing to a remote printer when a condition is met
>
>
> > Another major problem that I have to solve is having an order print at
> > the store when it is added to an order database and then either marking
> > the order printed successfully.
> >
> > Is it possible to use mivascript to do something like this and how could
> > I make it reliable? I'm open to any suggestions, because at the moment
> > anything would be helpful.
> >
> You have two choices:
> 1/ With MvCALL, posting the data to a suitable script (Perl, PHP, etc. but
> Python is the best at any time :-) ) Those unrestricted languages have
> access to the neccessary resources to do, e.g,, remote printing. The P*
> script could also post back to your MivaScript or somewhere else.
> 2/ Use e-mail for communication. Construct and send an e-mail which is setup
> to be printed at the right place. I'd probably prefer this alternative. The
> P(ython) script would receive the mail, do the printing and post back.
>
> I have used both techniques and they work fine.
>
> Best,
> Miklós
>
> PRISZNYÁK Miklós
> ---
> Jegenye 2001 Bt.
> Egyedi szoftverkészítés, tanácsadás | Custom software development,
> consulting
> Magyarul: http://jegenye2001.parkhosting.com
> In English: http://jegenye2001.parkhosting.com/en
>
>

Printing to a remote printer when a condition is met



Miva Script cannot access local hardware devices directly so you can't
print directly, like to a receipt printer at a cash register.

But you can setup most any email client with a filter set to print any
email it receives which matches the filter. So you have your script send
an email to a unique address, and address which is checked by the
filter-enabled client terminal. It gets an email and prints it to whatever
printer you have defined.

Its a work around, but it can do the job.

Jonathan
Driftwood Network Services


At 09:08 PM 1/11/2005, Andrew Rosborough wrote:
>Another major problem that I have to solve is having an order print at
>the store when it is added to an order database and then either marking
>the order printed successfully.
>
>Is it possible to use mivascript to do something like this and how could
>I make it reliable? I'm open to any suggestions, because at the moment
>anything would be helpful.
>
>Thank you.
>
>--
>Andrew Rosborough <[email protected]>
>
>

Mivascript community / Make Mivascript open-source!



Dear Claudiu,

I think that is an excellent idea, and I hope that something like this will
eventually see the light of the day. Without it, I frankly don't see a lot
of a future for the Mivascript community.

Instead of going into the details of your project (I hope I can find some
time for this later), here is however another thought that immediately came
to mind when I read your message:

Obviously, the name mivascript.org is a trademark infringement, unless
FindWhat doesn't give you explicit permission to use it. However, someone
(we here) should make the suggestion to release Mivascript to the open
source community (under the umbrella of mivascript.org, for example) - this
means the language, the compiler and Empresa.

Why should they do this?

- FindWhat would loose income from the sales of the compiler (well, nothing
prevents them from continuning selling it), yet if the project is properly
handled, commercially supported by both FindWhat and independent developers
and finds sufficient momentum, they might save tons of money from developing
and Q/A Empresa & the compiler. And frankly, I can't help to have the
impression that selling a few dozen compiler licenses isn't offset by a few
hundred lost sales of Merchant because integrators are turned off an all
closed-source solution.

- Mivascript c/would regain a place among the top opensource languages, next
to Phyton & PHP, because it has the advantage of having a solid commercial
target market (the Merchant community). Considering the momentum/hype of
open-source, this might probably be the only way of keeping the language
afloat and to attrack new faces. Not to forget: It's mainly been the
independent developers who made Merchant this user-friendly and powerful.
But it's just a question of time until programs like OSCommerce will be as
sophisticated and dynamic (if they aren't already).

- FindWhat's own developers will have more ressources available for the work
on their flagships, Merchant, instead of Empresa.

- More and more businesses (decision makers) are interested in open-source
today, so this might have a very positive impact on the licensing of
Merchant (note: I do not suggest to release Merchant as open-source ).

- It could attrack also a different breed of language developers who come
from C/C++ or other languages who can add new features natively to
Mivascript. This is particulary important for large, heavy traffic websites
that go beyond the capacities of MM.

- It demonstrates FindWhat's commitment for security (and might save them
money for the code audits).

- FindWhat would stop being the scapegoat (?) for their own lack of
commitment in developing and supporting the Mivascript community. By now,
Mivascript is so far behind in terms of functionality that it's almost
embarrassing. After all, once it's open-source, it's up to us to develop the
kind of stuff we are complaining about for many years now (filesystem
access, databases,custom tags etc.).

- It makes FindWhat look real good. Nice press releases, mentions in
software publications etc.

- Eventually, there might be more than 12 people writing commercial
standalone Mivaapps that are not Merchant modules. Why is this important?
Well, it helps to get people off the idea that Miva = Merchant. Those who
don't like Merchant (there are plenty!) might eventually reconsider their
position.



Obviously, the question is whether or not such a project can potentially
succeed at all and gain momentum and acceptance. It's certainly too easy to
simply say "Here you got the source code, be happy with it!" but instead a
platform needs to be created and we need to have some people at
Miva/FindWaht who show interest, make the main design decisions what goes
into the source tree, and support us otherwise (drinks, money, oysters,
sailing boats & fast cars, oh, wait, I digress....).

Will they do it? I frankly doubt it, but maybe someone should make the
suggestion.


For all this, your idea of a new portal called mivascript.org could be a
fabulous starting point.

Markus








-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of Claudiu Bischoff
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 11:26 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [meu] Mivascript community

Hello everybody...

I have to tell all that I'm in a final phase of a mivascript community web
site project. It's an old dream that I had about that community so in my
spare time I developed the web-site.
I'll describe the site here.. because I really need your opinion

First of all is a non-commercial website.. so I don't expect to make money
with it. It's all for the community and I built it all alone because there
were some failed attempts to build such a project .. and the main problem
was the time of the team, etc.. So I think that was a good choice to make it
all alone.

The concept was to make a public database with all the mivascript
developers. Every developer can create freely an account (where he must
indicate his mivascripting level.. and some other information). He can fill
an online CV (only professional information of course) and even publish his
photo. There is a blog feature on every developer account (that the
developer can administrate too). The developer can also present his
mivascript work (there is a special menu to do that) and link to the
web-sites he made.
Another feature is the Resources side of the site. My idea was to let
developers publish their scripts (compiled or uncompiled) so everybody can
use it. There is a special menu for add/modify/delete scripts in the
developer account. There is a blog also for every published script. A
tutorial section is on the way (but here I need some help from you..) so
every developer can add tutorials.
There is an Online Projects feature also. The idea was to publish open
source projects online. I think there are some developers that have already
some open source mivascript projects and this could be a good place to
publish and promote them.
I want to make a mivascript functions database with a search engine. It
could be a good idea to build it in the same way as php.net. What I
appreciate out there are the examples for every function. So my idea was to
let developers "blog" every function with examples.
We have also a forum.. but I'm searching a way to make it work by e-mail
(like this one).. perhaps someone have already this functionality.. and want
to participate with it.. Else I'll be forced to make it all alone :)

The next step will be to make a small "rent a coder" platform but that's
just an idea for the moment.(of course for free for the both sides projects
ppl and coders)

So I really need help to the following points:

1. Language. I'm not English.. so I need help "translating" this site.
2. Domain name. I have mivascript.org .. and I want to use it. I already
sent some e-mails to the Miva Corporation to ask permission to use it.. but
no answer. So I don't know if I have the right to use it or not (once again
is for the mivascript community and it is not a commercial website). I
really don't want to change the domain name because I think it is very
appropriate for those who are searching mivascript resources... What do you
think?
3. The tutorial side of the website. I would like to know which would the
best way to make this module (back-office functionality). There are some
developers on the list that already done some tutorials.. so I think they
can give examples about the easiest way to make it (I already integrated
htmlarea editor to publish text.. so I think this can make it easier to
create tutorials) 4. The Online Projects side. I don't think that is a good
idea to copy sourceforge.net because it's too complicated. If someone can
give ideas about how would be better to make it.. would be great.
5. Do you think it's a non-sense to make all those efforts ?
6. Do you believe that will be a dead-born project ? :)

There is no preview online for the moment because is not finished. But I'll
be able to show something very soon. That why I wanted your opinion.. I want
to give everybody the possibility to participate with ideas.

PS: All the website is developed in mivascript and it's a modular system...
so new functionality are very easy to implement. If you have other ideas
just let me know..


Thank you all for your efforts understanding my English.. Sorry for that.

Best regards,
Claudiu Bischoff

Mivascript community / Make Mivascript open-source!



Hi Markus ...

Your idea is fabulous.. but I really doubt that Miva Corporation change
their politics.
I hope someone from Miva will read your message.. and perhaps consider it.

Perhaps we should unite all to ask Miva Corporation such a project. Lets
sign a small petition to see how many of us agree with Markus project. What
do you think?

As for the domain name.. can anyone help me write an official e-mail to
send to the Miva Corporation ? I sent 2 e-mails till now and no response at
all. Perhaps my e-mails are not clear enough.. I don't know.

Thanks again Markus
Claudiu Bischoff

-----Original Message-----
From: MvMarkus [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: mercredi 12 janvier 2005 18:10
To: 'Claudiu Bischoff'; [email protected]
Subject: RE: [meu] Mivascript community / Make Mivascript open-source!


Dear Claudiu,

I think that is an excellent idea, and I hope that something like this will
eventually see the light of the day. Without it, I frankly don't see a lot
of a future for the Mivascript community.

Instead of going into the details of your project (I hope I can find some
time for this later), here is however another thought that immediately came
to mind when I read your message:

Obviously, the name mivascript.org is a trademark infringement, unless
FindWhat doesn't give you explicit permission to use it. However, someone
(we here) should make the suggestion to release Mivascript to the open
source community (under the umbrella of mivascript.org, for example) - this
means the language, the compiler and Empresa.

Why should they do this?

- FindWhat would loose income from the sales of the compiler (well, nothing
prevents them from continuning selling it), yet if the project is properly
handled, commercially supported by both FindWhat and independent developers
and finds sufficient momentum, they might save tons of money from developing
and Q/A Empresa & the compiler. And frankly, I can't help to have the
impression that selling a few dozen compiler licenses isn't offset by a few
hundred lost sales of Merchant because integrators are turned off an all
closed-source solution.

- Mivascript c/would regain a place among the top opensource languages, next
to Phyton & PHP, because it has the advantage of having a solid commercial
target market (the Merchant community). Considering the momentum/hype of
open-source, this might probably be the only way of keeping the language
afloat and to attrack new faces. Not to forget: It's mainly been the
independent developers who made Merchant this user-friendly and powerful.
But it's just a question of time until programs like OSCommerce will be as
sophisticated and dynamic (if they aren't already).

- FindWhat's own developers will have more ressources available for the work
on their flagships, Merchant, instead of Empresa.

- More and more businesses (decision makers) are interested in open-source
today, so this might have a very positive impact on the licensing of
Merchant (note: I do not suggest to release Merchant as open-source ).

- It could attrack also a different breed of language developers who come
from C/C++ or other languages who can add new features natively to
Mivascript. This is particulary important for large, heavy traffic websites
that go beyond the capacities of MM.

- It demonstrates FindWhat's commitment for security (and might save them
money for the code audits).

- FindWhat would stop being the scapegoat (?) for their own lack of
commitment in developing and supporting the Mivascript community. By now,
Mivascript is so far behind in terms of functionality that it's almost
embarrassing. After all, once it's open-source, it's up to us to develop the
kind of stuff we are complaining about for many years now (filesystem
access, databases,custom tags etc.).

- It makes FindWhat look real good. Nice press releases, mentions in
software publications etc.

- Eventually, there might be more than 12 people writing commercial
standalone Mivaapps that are not Merchant modules. Why is this important?
Well, it helps to get people off the idea that Miva = Merchant. Those who
don't like Merchant (there are plenty!) might eventually reconsider their
position.



Obviously, the question is whether or not such a project can potentially
succeed at all and gain momentum and acceptance. It's certainly too easy to
simply say "Here you got the source code, be happy with it!" but instead a
platform needs to be created and we need to have some people at
Miva/FindWaht who show interest, make the main design decisions what goes
into the source tree, and support us otherwise (drinks, money, oysters,
sailing boats & fast cars, oh, wait, I digress....).

Will they do it? I frankly doubt it, but maybe someone should make the
suggestion.


For all this, your idea of a new portal called mivascript.org could be a
fabulous starting point.

Markus








-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of Claudiu Bischoff
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 11:26 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [meu] Mivascript community

Hello everybody...

I have to tell all that I'm in a final phase of a mivascript community web
site project. It's an old dream that I had about that community so in my
spare time I developed the web-site.
I'll describe the site here.. because I really need your opinion

First of all is a non-commercial website.. so I don't expect to make money
with it. It's all for the community and I built it all alone because there
were some failed attempts to build such a project .. and the main problem
was the time of the team, etc.. So I think that was a good choice to make it
all alone.

The concept was to make a public database with all the mivascript
developers. Every developer can create freely an account (where he must
indicate his mivascripting level.. and some other information). He can fill
an online CV (only professional information of course) and even publish his
photo. There is a blog feature on every developer account (that the
developer can administrate too). The developer can also present his
mivascript work (there is a special menu to do that) and link to the
web-sites he made.
Another feature is the Resources side of the site. My idea was to let
developers publish their scripts (compiled or uncompiled) so everybody can
use it. There is a special menu for add/modify/delete scripts in the
developer account. There is a blog also for every published script. A
tutorial section is on the way (but here I need some help from you..) so
every developer can add tutorials.
There is an Online Projects feature also. The idea was to publish open
source projects online. I think there are some developers that have already
some open source mivascript projects and this could be a good place to
publish and promote them.
I want to make a mivascript functions database with a search engine. It
could be a good idea to build it in the same way as php.net. What I
appreciate out there are the examples for every function. So my idea was to
let developers "blog" every function with examples.
We have also a forum.. but I'm searching a way to make it work by e-mail
(like this one).. perhaps someone have already this functionality.. and want
to participate with it.. Else I'll be forced to make it all alone :)

The next step will be to make a small "rent a coder" platform but that's
just an idea for the moment.(of course for free for the both sides projects
ppl and coders)

So I really need help to the following points:

1. Language. I'm not English.. so I need help "translating" this site.
2. Domain name. I have mivascript.org .. and I want to use it. I already
sent some e-mails to the Miva Corporation to ask permission to use it.. but
no answer. So I don't know if I have the right to use it or not (once again
is for the mivascript community and it is not a commercial website). I
really don't want to change the domain name because I think it is very
appropriate for those who are searching mivascript resources... What do you
think?
3. The tutorial side of the website. I would like to know which would the
best way to make this module (back-office functionality). There are some
developers on the list that already done some tutorials.. so I think they
can give examples about the easiest way to make it (I already integrated
htmlarea editor to publish text.. so I think this can make it easier to
create tutorials) 4. The Online Projects side. I don't think that is a good
idea to copy sourceforge.net because it's too complicated. If someone can
give ideas about how would be better to make it.. would be great.
5. Do you think it's a non-sense to make all those efforts ?
6. Do you believe that will be a dead-born project ? :)

There is no preview online for the moment because is not finished. But I'll
be able to show something very soon. That why I wanted your opinion.. I want
to give everybody the possibility to participate with ideas.

PS: All the website is developed in mivascript and it's a modular system...
so new functionality are very easy to implement. If you have other ideas
just let me know..


Thank you all for your efforts understanding my English.. Sorry for that.

Best regards,
Claudiu Bischoff

Mivascript community



Might want to use real caution with that domain name.

I owned a selection of names which were aimed at Miva-based issues. I
registered them many, many years ago when they first switched from
HTMLScript to Miva Script. I also sent an email to the then CEO, Joe
Austin and told him I had the names and would be happy to give them to Miva
Corp if the issue ever arose. As I explained to Joe, I registered the
names more to help and/or protect Miva Corp than any intention of using
them actively. One's like "mivamerchant.net" and "miva-merchant.org" and
"mivatreats.com" I did not want to see used for profit -- I wanted to use
them for community building. At the time I did NOT own a hosting company
nor was making any portion of my income from Miva Corp products.

The names were NEVER used - and half of them simply directed traffic to
miva.com! The whole point was not to use them to make money. Like my
'Miva Masochists Guild' site. Hell, when I first opened the MMG one Miva
employee wrote to say they were going to sue me for using their name that
way. It was quashed when Joe and other Miva employees went and simply
looked at the damn thing and found it humorous; and because they had known
me for years and knew well my intentions and perspectives.

Then last year about this time I was contacted rather rudely and abruptly
by Miva Corp and they demanded I immediately fork over the name(s)
immediately because they said I was violating their trademark.

Why they attacked me and not any of the other people using Miva-oriented
domain names to actually make money - I do not know. None of my domain
names was EVER used to generate revenue in any fashion. I guess if you use
the domain name to make money Miva Corp lets it ride or something. Ahem.

So Miva Corp's response to using domain names with any form of their name
in the domain name is inconsistent at best. Apparently they will permit
some people to use these names to make money - but very tangibly not for
community building efforts. As I reflected to a Miva Corp officer last
year, it was unfortunate that they decided to single-out 'community'
efforts for negative action. The base reaction I got felt like I was being
told "you do not understand the world of business". A real down-the-nose
sort of reaction; from someone who has worked in the Miva world far less
than half the number of years that I have.

Your intentions are noble and - to me - a highly valuable resource. But if
you use it for non-profit education or community building it will likely be
seen by them as a threat for some reason. The previous CEO Joe Austin had
a very realistic and honorable perspective on this matter. But it ain't
Joe's company any more and the new owners have the right to do as they darn
well please, and do not owe any explanation to the users or vendors or
their products.

Go figure...

Jonathan
Driftwood Network Services



At 11:25 PM 1/11/2005, Claudiu Bischoff wrote:
>Hello everybody...
>
> I have to tell all that I'm in a final phase of a mivascript community web
>site project. It's an old dream that I had about that community so in my
>spare time I developed the web-site.
> I'll describe the site here.. because I really need your opinion
>
> First of all is a non-commercial website.. so I don't expect to make money
>with it. It's all for the community and I built it all alone because there
>were some failed attempts to build such a project .. and the main problem
>was the time of the team, etc.. So I think that was a good choice to make it
>all alone.
>
> The concept was to make a public database with all the mivascript
>developers. Every developer can create freely an account (where he must
>indicate his mivascripting level.. and some other information). He can fill
>an online CV (only professional information of course) and even publish his
>photo. There is a blog feature on every developer account (that the
>developer can administrate too). The developer can also present his
>mivascript work (there is a special menu to do that) and link to the
>web-sites he made.
> Another feature is the Resources side of the site. My idea was to let
>developers publish their scripts (compiled or uncompiled) so everybody can
>use it. There is a special menu for add/modify/delete scripts in the
>developer account. There is a blog also for every published script. A
>tutorial section is on the way (but here I need some help from you..) so
>every developer can add tutorials.
> There is an Online Projects feature also. The idea was to publish open
>source projects online. I think there are some developers that have already
>some open source mivascript projects and this could be a good place to
>publish and promote them.
> I want to make a mivascript functions database with a search engine. It
>could be a good idea to build it in the same way as php.net. What I
>appreciate out there are the examples for every function. So my idea was to
>let developers "blog" every function with examples.
> We have also a forum.. but I'm searching a way to make it work by e-mail
>(like this one).. perhaps someone have already this functionality.. and want
>to participate with it.. Else I'll be forced to make it all alone :)
>
> The next step will be to make a small "rent a coder" platform but that's
>just an idea for the moment.(of course for free for the both sides projects
>ppl and coders)
>
> So I really need help to the following points:
>
> 1. Language. I'm not English.. so I need help "translating" this site.
> 2. Domain name. I have mivascript.org .. and I want to use it. I already
>sent some e-mails to the Miva Corporation to ask permission to use it.. but
>no answer. So I don't know if I have the right to use it or not (once again
>is for the mivascript community and it is not a commercial website). I
>really don't want to change the domain name because I think it is very
>appropriate for those who are searching mivascript resources... What do you
>think?
> 3. The tutorial side of the website. I would like to know which would the
>best way to make this module (back-office functionality). There are some
>developers on the list that already done some tutorials.. so I think they
>can give examples about the easiest way to make it (I already integrated
>htmlarea editor to publish text.. so I think this can make it easier to
>create tutorials)
> 4. The Online Projects side. I don't think that is a good idea to copy
>sourceforge.net because it's too complicated. If someone can give ideas
>about how would be better to make it.. would be great.
> 5. Do you think it's a non-sense to make all those efforts ?
> 6. Do you believe that will be a dead-born project ? :)
>
> There is no preview online for the moment because is not finished. But I'll
>be able to show something very soon. That why I wanted your opinion.. I want
>to give everybody the possibility to participate with ideas.
>
> PS: All the website is developed in mivascript and it's a modular system...
>so new functionality are very easy to implement. If you have other ideas
>just let me know..
>
>
> Thank you all for your efforts understanding my English.. Sorry for that.
>
> Best regards,
> Claudiu Bischoff
>
>

Mivascript community



I used to own www.mivacentral.com (now www.mvcentral.com)
I released it at the request of Joe Austin.
They are now using it.

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On
Behalf Of Jonathan - Driftwood
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 11:43 AM
To: Claudiu Bischoff; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [meu] Mivascript community


Might want to use real caution with that domain name.

I owned a selection of names which were aimed at Miva-based issues. I
registered them many, many years ago when they first switched from
HTMLScript to Miva Script. I also sent an email to the then CEO, Joe
Austin and told him I had the names and would be happy to give them to Miva
Corp if the issue ever arose. As I explained to Joe, I registered the
names more to help and/or protect Miva Corp than any intention of using
them actively. One's like "mivamerchant.net" and "miva-merchant.org" and
"mivatreats.com" I did not want to see used for profit -- I wanted to use
them for community building. At the time I did NOT own a hosting company
nor was making any portion of my income from Miva Corp products.

The names were NEVER used - and half of them simply directed traffic to
miva.com! The whole point was not to use them to make money. Like my
'Miva Masochists Guild' site. Hell, when I first opened the MMG one Miva
employee wrote to say they were going to sue me for using their name that
way. It was quashed when Joe and other Miva employees went and simply
looked at the damn thing and found it humorous; and because they had known
me for years and knew well my intentions and perspectives.

Then last year about this time I was contacted rather rudely and abruptly
by Miva Corp and they demanded I immediately fork over the name(s)
immediately because they said I was violating their trademark.

Why they attacked me and not any of the other people using Miva-oriented
domain names to actually make money - I do not know. None of my domain
names was EVER used to generate revenue in any fashion. I guess if you use
the domain name to make money Miva Corp lets it ride or something. Ahem.

So Miva Corp's response to using domain names with any form of their name
in the domain name is inconsistent at best. Apparently they will permit
some people to use these names to make money - but very tangibly not for
community building efforts. As I reflected to a Miva Corp officer last
year, it was unfortunate that they decided to single-out 'community'
efforts for negative action. The base reaction I got felt like I was being
told "you do not understand the world of business". A real down-the-nose
sort of reaction; from someone who has worked in the Miva world far less
than half the number of years that I have.

Your intentions are noble and - to me - a highly valuable resource. But if
you use it for non-profit education or community building it will likely be
seen by them as a threat for some reason. The previous CEO Joe Austin had
a very realistic and honorable perspective on this matter. But it ain't
Joe's company any more and the new owners have the right to do as they darn
well please, and do not owe any explanation to the users or vendors or
their products.

Go figure...

Jonathan
Driftwood Network Services



At 11:25 PM 1/11/2005, Claudiu Bischoff wrote:
>Hello everybody...
>
> I have to tell all that I'm in a final phase of a mivascript community
web
>site project. It's an old dream that I had about that community so in my
>spare time I developed the web-site.
> I'll describe the site here.. because I really need your opinion
>
> First of all is a non-commercial website.. so I don't expect to make
money
>with it. It's all for the community and I built it all alone because there
>were some failed attempts to build such a project .. and the main problem
>was the time of the team, etc.. So I think that was a good choice to make
it
>all alone.
>
> The concept was to make a public database with all the mivascript
>developers. Every developer can create freely an account (where he must
>indicate his mivascripting level.. and some other information). He can fill
>an online CV (only professional information of course) and even publish his
>photo. There is a blog feature on every developer account (that the
>developer can administrate too). The developer can also present his
>mivascript work (there is a special menu to do that) and link to the
>web-sites he made.
> Another feature is the Resources side of the site. My idea was to let
>developers publish their scripts (compiled or uncompiled) so everybody can
>use it. There is a special menu for add/modify/delete scripts in the
>developer account. There is a blog also for every published script. A
>tutorial section is on the way (but here I need some help from you..) so
>every developer can add tutorials.
> There is an Online Projects feature also. The idea was to publish open
>source projects online. I think there are some developers that have already
>some open source mivascript projects and this could be a good place to
>publish and promote them.
> I want to make a mivascript functions database with a search engine. It
>could be a good idea to build it in the same way as php.net. What I
>appreciate out there are the examples for every function. So my idea was to
>let developers "blog" every function with examples.
> We have also a forum.. but I'm searching a way to make it work by e-mail
>(like this one).. perhaps someone have already this functionality.. and
want
>to participate with it.. Else I'll be forced to make it all alone :)
>
> The next step will be to make a small "rent a coder" platform but that's
>just an idea for the moment.(of course for free for the both sides projects
>ppl and coders)
>
> So I really need help to the following points:
>
> 1. Language. I'm not English.. so I need help "translating" this site.
> 2. Domain name. I have mivascript.org .. and I want to use it. I already
>sent some e-mails to the Miva Corporation to ask permission to use it.. but
>no answer. So I don't know if I have the right to use it or not (once again
>is for the mivascript community and it is not a commercial website). I
>really don't want to change the domain name because I think it is very
>appropriate for those who are searching mivascript resources... What do you
>think?
> 3. The tutorial side of the website. I would like to know which would the
>best way to make this module (back-office functionality). There are some
>developers on the list that already done some tutorials.. so I think they
>can give examples about the easiest way to make it (I already integrated
>htmlarea editor to publish text.. so I think this can make it easier to
>create tutorials)
> 4. The Online Projects side. I don't think that is a good idea to copy
>sourceforge.net because it's too complicated. If someone can give ideas
>about how would be better to make it.. would be great.
> 5. Do you think it's a non-sense to make all those efforts ?
> 6. Do you believe that will be a dead-born project ? :)
>
> There is no preview online for the moment because is not finished. But
I'll
>be able to show something very soon. That why I wanted your opinion.. I
want
>to give everybody the possibility to participate with ideas.
>
> PS: All the website is developed in mivascript and it's a modular
system...
>so new functionality are very easy to implement. If you have other ideas
>just let me know..
>
>
> Thank you all for your efforts understanding my English.. Sorry for that.
>
> Best regards,
> Claudiu Bischoff
>
>

Printing to a remote printer when a condition is met



I'm hesitating to use email because I think, sometimes, it could be
delayed depending on server status, etc. Maybe I'll try an email method
initially and then while I'm developing other things we can test its
reliability.

I feel like handing off to php, perl, or python would be a more sturdy
fix, but a difficult one to implement. I'll look into it.

And e-fax sounds like a reliable method, although it does sound a little
expensive. I'm not very familiar with how I would begin to send an
e-fax in the first place.

Thanks for the suggestions!
Andrew


On Wed, 2005-01-12 at 16:00 +0100, Jegenye 2001 Bt wrote:
> > Another major problem that I have to solve is having an order print at
> > the store when it is added to an order database and then either marking
> > the order printed successfully.
> >
> > Is it possible to use mivascript to do something like this and how could
> > I make it reliable? I'm open to any suggestions, because at the moment
> > anything would be helpful.
> >
> You have two choices:
> 1/ With MvCALL, posting the data to a suitable script (Perl, PHP, etc. but
> Python is the best at any time :-) ) Those unrestricted languages have
> access to the neccessary resources to do, e.g,, remote printing. The P*
> script could also post back to your MivaScript or somewhere else.
> 2/ Use e-mail for communication. Construct and send an e-mail which is setup
> to be printed at the right place. I'd probably prefer this alternative. The
> P(ython) script would receive the mail, do the printing and post back.
>
> I have used both techniques and they work fine.
>
> Best,
> Miklós
>
> PRISZNYÁK Miklós
> ---
> Jegenye 2001 Bt.
> Egyedi szoftverkészítés, tanácsadás | Custom software development,
> consulting
> Magyarul: http://jegenye2001.parkhosting.com
> In English: http://jegenye2001.parkhosting.com/en
>
>

Printing to a remote printer when a condition is met



> I'm hesitating to use email because I think, sometimes, it could be
> delayed depending on server status, etc. Maybe I'll try an email metho=
d
> initially and then while I'm developing other things we can test its
> reliability.
>
E-mails rarely get lost. Really. (It's most often some mischievous spam
filter which is responsible these days..) The delays are usually not
significant either.
Even more a mail server will keep on trying to deliver the message even f=
or
several days.
This may or may not be desirable, of course.

> I feel like handing off to php, perl, or python would be a more sturdy
> fix, but a difficult one to implement. I'll look into it.

It's not that difficult at all to generate some XML messages with MivaScr=
ipt
and then post that.
And then all the P's are happy to eat up XML (especially Python :-) )
The advantage is that you'll know immediately if there's trouble in
deliivering the message.
The disadvantage is that you must implement the re-scheduling/queueing
mechanism yourself...
I would rather not.

>
> And e-fax sounds like a reliable method, although it does sound a littl=
e
> expensive. I'm not very familiar with how I would begin to send an
> e-fax in the first place.

Nor do I. But I doubt it would be a more reliable communication channel t=
han
standard e-mail.

Best,
Mikl=F3s

>
> Thanks for the suggestions!
> Andrew
>
>
> On Wed, 2005-01-12 at 16:00 +0100, Jegenye 2001 Bt wrote:
> > > Another major problem that I have to solve is having an order print=
at
> > > the store when it is added to an order database and then either
marking
> > > the order printed successfully.
> > >
> > > Is it possible to use mivascript to do something like this and how
could
> > > I make it reliable? I'm open to any suggestions, because at the
moment
> > > anything would be helpful.
> > >
> > You have two choices:
> > 1/ With MvCALL, posting the data to a suitable script (Perl, PHP, e=
tc.
but
> > Python is the best at any time :-) ) Those unrestricted languages
have
> > access to the neccessary resources to do, e.g,, remote printing. The =
P*
> > script could also post back to your MivaScript or somewhere else.
> > 2/ Use e-mail for communication. Construct and send an e-mail which i=
s
setup
> > to be printed at the right place. I'd probably prefer this alternativ=
e.
The
> > P(ython) script would receive the mail, do the printing and post back.
> >
> > I have used both techniques and they work fine.
> >
> > Best,
> > Mikl=F3s
> >
> > PRISZNY=C1K Mikl=F3s
> > ---
> > Jegenye 2001 Bt.
> > Egyedi szoftverk=E9sz=EDt=E9s, tan=E1csad=E1s | Custom software devel=
opment,
> > consulting
> > Magyarul: http://jegenye2001.parkhosting.com
> > In English: http://jegenye2001.parkhosting.com/en
> >

Mivascript community



I'm not aware that owning a domain name containing another's trademark =
is a
trademark infringement. Did something happen while I was sleeping?

Making money off someone else's trademark obviously constitutes a =
violation,
but a forum or discussion site? You've got to be kidding. That's got to =
be
kosher. For instance if I opened up a site called walmartreview.biz
(reviewing Walmart products) they wouldn't have a prayer of winning a
trademark suit against me.

You're fine using Mivascript.org Claudiu. If you get sued I'll pay the =
legal
fees =3D) (as long as you don't compete with them or sell anything on =
it).

Ben

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On =
Behalf
Of Bill Gilligan
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 1:54 PM
To: Jonathan - Driftwood; Claudiu Bischoff; [email protected]
Subject: RE: [meu] Mivascript community

I used to own www.mivacentral.com (now www.mvcentral.com)
I released it at the request of Joe Austin.
They are now using it.

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On
Behalf Of Jonathan - Driftwood
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 11:43 AM
To: Claudiu Bischoff; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [meu] Mivascript community


Might want to use real caution with that domain name.

I owned a selection of names which were aimed at Miva-based issues. I
registered them many, many years ago when they first switched from
HTMLScript to Miva Script. I also sent an email to the then CEO, Joe
Austin and told him I had the names and would be happy to give them to =
Miva
Corp if the issue ever arose. As I explained to Joe, I registered the
names more to help and/or protect Miva Corp than any intention of using
them actively. One's like "mivamerchant.net" and "miva-merchant.org" =
and
"mivatreats.com" I did not want to see used for profit -- I wanted to =
use
them for community building. At the time I did NOT own a hosting =
company
nor was making any portion of my income from Miva Corp products.

The names were NEVER used - and half of them simply directed traffic to
miva.com! The whole point was not to use them to make money. Like my
'Miva Masochists Guild' site. Hell, when I first opened the MMG one =
Miva
employee wrote to say they were going to sue me for using their name =
that
way. It was quashed when Joe and other Miva employees went and simply
looked at the damn thing and found it humorous; and because they had =
known
me for years and knew well my intentions and perspectives.

Then last year about this time I was contacted rather rudely and =
abruptly
by Miva Corp and they demanded I immediately fork over the name(s)
immediately because they said I was violating their trademark.

Why they attacked me and not any of the other people using Miva-oriented
domain names to actually make money - I do not know. None of my domain
names was EVER used to generate revenue in any fashion. I guess if you =
use
the domain name to make money Miva Corp lets it ride or something. =
Ahem.

So Miva Corp's response to using domain names with any form of their =
name
in the domain name is inconsistent at best. Apparently they will =
permit
some people to use these names to make money - but very tangibly not for
community building efforts. As I reflected to a Miva Corp officer last
year, it was unfortunate that they decided to single-out 'community'
efforts for negative action. The base reaction I got felt like I was =
being
told "you do not understand the world of business". A real =
down-the-nose
sort of reaction; from someone who has worked in the Miva world far less
than half the number of years that I have.

Your intentions are noble and - to me - a highly valuable resource. But =
if
you use it for non-profit education or community building it will likely =
be
seen by them as a threat for some reason. The previous CEO Joe Austin =
had
a very realistic and honorable perspective on this matter. But it ain't
Joe's company any more and the new owners have the right to do as they =
darn
well please, and do not owe any explanation to the users or vendors or
their products.

Go figure...

Jonathan
Driftwood Network Services



At 11:25 PM 1/11/2005, Claudiu Bischoff wrote:
>Hello everybody...
>
> I have to tell all that I'm in a final phase of a mivascript =
community
web
>site project. It's an old dream that I had about that community so in =
my
>spare time I developed the web-site.
> I'll describe the site here.. because I really need your opinion
>
> First of all is a non-commercial website.. so I don't expect to make
money
>with it. It's all for the community and I built it all alone because =
there
>were some failed attempts to build such a project .. and the main =
problem
>was the time of the team, etc.. So I think that was a good choice to =
make
it
>all alone.
>
> The concept was to make a public database with all the mivascript
>developers. Every developer can create freely an account (where he must
>indicate his mivascripting level.. and some other information). He can =
fill
>an online CV (only professional information of course) and even publish =
his
>photo. There is a blog feature on every developer account (that the
>developer can administrate too). The developer can also present his
>mivascript work (there is a special menu to do that) and link to the
>web-sites he made.
> Another feature is the Resources side of the site. My idea was to let
>developers publish their scripts (compiled or uncompiled) so everybody =
can
>use it. There is a special menu for add/modify/delete scripts in the
>developer account. There is a blog also for every published script. A
>tutorial section is on the way (but here I need some help from you..) =
so
>every developer can add tutorials.
> There is an Online Projects feature also. The idea was to publish =
open
>source projects online. I think there are some developers that have =
already
>some open source mivascript projects and this could be a good place to
>publish and promote them.
> I want to make a mivascript functions database with a search engine. =
It
>could be a good idea to build it in the same way as php.net. What I
>appreciate out there are the examples for every function. So my idea =
was to
>let developers "blog" every function with examples.
> We have also a forum.. but I'm searching a way to make it work by =
e-mail
>(like this one).. perhaps someone have already this functionality.. and
want
>to participate with it.. Else I'll be forced to make it all alone :)
>
> The next step will be to make a small "rent a coder" platform but =
that's
>just an idea for the moment.(of course for free for the both sides =
projects
>ppl and coders)
>
> So I really need help to the following points:
>
> 1. Language. I'm not English.. so I need help "translating" this =
site.
> 2. Domain name. I have mivascript.org .. and I want to use it. I =
already
>sent some e-mails to the Miva Corporation to ask permission to use it.. =
but
>no answer. So I don't know if I have the right to use it or not (once =
again
>is for the mivascript community and it is not a commercial website). I
>really don't want to change the domain name because I think it is very
>appropriate for those who are searching mivascript resources... What do =
you
>think?
> 3. The tutorial side of the website. I would like to know which would =
the
>best way to make this module (back-office functionality). There are =
some
>developers on the list that already done some tutorials.. so I think =
they
>can give examples about the easiest way to make it (I already =
integrated
>htmlarea editor to publish text.. so I think this can make it easier to
>create tutorials)
> 4. The Online Projects side. I don't think that is a good idea to =
copy
>sourceforge.net because it's too complicated. If someone can give ideas
>about how would be better to make it.. would be great.
> 5. Do you think it's a non-sense to make all those efforts ?
> 6. Do you believe that will be a dead-born project ? :)
>
> There is no preview online for the moment because is not finished. =
But
I'll
>be able to show something very soon. That why I wanted your opinion.. I
want
>to give everybody the possibility to participate with ideas.
>
> PS: All the website is developed in mivascript and it's a modular
system...
>so new functionality are very easy to implement. If you have other =
ideas
>just let me know..
>
>
> Thank you all for your efforts understanding my English.. Sorry for =
that.
>
> Best regards,
> Claudiu Bischoff
>
>

Mivascript community



Jonathan,

Did you contact a lawyer about these issues? I'm not a lawyer, but I =
have
been involved in several trademark cases and I would have to say that =
Miva
wouldn't have much of a chance winning a suit against you, especially =
since
you were not even using the domain. Sounds like the typical threats that
corporations give to scare people into submission.

I expected better things out of Miva. Oh well.

Ben

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On =
Behalf
Of Jonathan - Driftwood
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 11:43 AM
To: Claudiu Bischoff; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [meu] Mivascript community

Might want to use real caution with that domain name.

I owned a selection of names which were aimed at Miva-based issues. I=20
registered them many, many years ago when they first switched from=20
HTMLScript to Miva Script. I also sent an email to the then CEO, Joe=20
Austin and told him I had the names and would be happy to give them to =
Miva=20
Corp if the issue ever arose. As I explained to Joe, I registered the=20
names more to help and/or protect Miva Corp than any intention of using=20
them actively. One's like "mivamerchant.net" and "miva-merchant.org" =
and=20
"mivatreats.com" I did not want to see used for profit -- I wanted to =
use=20
them for community building. At the time I did NOT own a hosting =
company=20
nor was making any portion of my income from Miva Corp products.

The names were NEVER used - and half of them simply directed traffic to=20
miva.com! The whole point was not to use them to make money. Like my=20
'Miva Masochists Guild' site. Hell, when I first opened the MMG one =
Miva=20
employee wrote to say they were going to sue me for using their name =
that=20
way. It was quashed when Joe and other Miva employees went and simply=20
looked at the damn thing and found it humorous; and because they had =
known=20
me for years and knew well my intentions and perspectives.

Then last year about this time I was contacted rather rudely and =
abruptly=20
by Miva Corp and they demanded I immediately fork over the name(s)=20
immediately because they said I was violating their trademark.

Why they attacked me and not any of the other people using Miva-oriented =

domain names to actually make money - I do not know. None of my domain=20
names was EVER used to generate revenue in any fashion. I guess if you =
use=20
the domain name to make money Miva Corp lets it ride or something. =
Ahem.

So Miva Corp's response to using domain names with any form of their =
name=20
in the domain name is inconsistent at best. Apparently they will =
permit=20
some people to use these names to make money - but very tangibly not for =

community building efforts. As I reflected to a Miva Corp officer last=20
year, it was unfortunate that they decided to single-out 'community'=20
efforts for negative action. The base reaction I got felt like I was =
being=20
told "you do not understand the world of business". A real =
down-the-nose=20
sort of reaction; from someone who has worked in the Miva world far less =

than half the number of years that I have.

Your intentions are noble and - to me - a highly valuable resource. But =
if=20
you use it for non-profit education or community building it will likely =
be=20
seen by them as a threat for some reason. The previous CEO Joe Austin =
had=20
a very realistic and honorable perspective on this matter. But it ain't=20
Joe's company any more and the new owners have the right to do as they =
darn=20
well please, and do not owe any explanation to the users or vendors or=20
their products.

Go figure...

Jonathan
Driftwood Network Services



At 11:25 PM 1/11/2005, Claudiu Bischoff wrote:
>Hello everybody...
>
> I have to tell all that I'm in a final phase of a mivascript =
community
web
>site project. It's an old dream that I had about that community so in =
my
>spare time I developed the web-site.
> I'll describe the site here.. because I really need your opinion
>
> First of all is a non-commercial website.. so I don't expect to make
money
>with it. It's all for the community and I built it all alone because =
there
>were some failed attempts to build such a project .. and the main =
problem
>was the time of the team, etc.. So I think that was a good choice to =
make
it
>all alone.
>
> The concept was to make a public database with all the mivascript
>developers. Every developer can create freely an account (where he must
>indicate his mivascripting level.. and some other information). He can =
fill
>an online CV (only professional information of course) and even publish =
his
>photo. There is a blog feature on every developer account (that the
>developer can administrate too). The developer can also present his
>mivascript work (there is a special menu to do that) and link to the
>web-sites he made.
> Another feature is the Resources side of the site. My idea was to let
>developers publish their scripts (compiled or uncompiled) so everybody =
can
>use it. There is a special menu for add/modify/delete scripts in the
>developer account. There is a blog also for every published script. A
>tutorial section is on the way (but here I need some help from you..) =
so
>every developer can add tutorials.
> There is an Online Projects feature also. The idea was to publish =
open
>source projects online. I think there are some developers that have =
already
>some open source mivascript projects and this could be a good place to
>publish and promote them.
> I want to make a mivascript functions database with a search engine. =
It
>could be a good idea to build it in the same way as php.net. What I
>appreciate out there are the examples for every function. So my idea =
was to
>let developers "blog" every function with examples.
> We have also a forum.. but I'm searching a way to make it work by =
e-mail
>(like this one).. perhaps someone have already this functionality.. and
want
>to participate with it.. Else I'll be forced to make it all alone :)
>
> The next step will be to make a small "rent a coder" platform but =
that's
>just an idea for the moment.(of course for free for the both sides =
projects
>ppl and coders)
>
> So I really need help to the following points:
>
> 1. Language. I'm not English.. so I need help "translating" this =
site.
> 2. Domain name. I have mivascript.org .. and I want to use it. I =
already
>sent some e-mails to the Miva Corporation to ask permission to use it.. =
but
>no answer. So I don't know if I have the right to use it or not (once =
again
>is for the mivascript community and it is not a commercial website). I
>really don't want to change the domain name because I think it is very
>appropriate for those who are searching mivascript resources... What do =
you
>think?
> 3. The tutorial side of the website. I would like to know which would =
the
>best way to make this module (back-office functionality). There are =
some
>developers on the list that already done some tutorials.. so I think =
they
>can give examples about the easiest way to make it (I already =
integrated
>htmlarea editor to publish text.. so I think this can make it easier to
>create tutorials)
> 4. The Online Projects side. I don't think that is a good idea to =
copy
>sourceforge.net because it's too complicated. If someone can give ideas
>about how would be better to make it.. would be great.
> 5. Do you think it's a non-sense to make all those efforts ?
> 6. Do you believe that will be a dead-born project ? :)
>
> There is no preview online for the moment because is not finished. =
But
I'll
>be able to show something very soon. That why I wanted your opinion.. I
want
>to give everybody the possibility to participate with ideas.
>
> PS: All the website is developed in mivascript and it's a modular
system...
>so new functionality are very easy to implement. If you have other =
ideas
>just let me know..
>
>
> Thank you all for your efforts understanding my English.. Sorry for =
that.
>
> Best regards,
> Claudiu Bischoff
>
>

Mivascript community



An interesting article for you to read:
http://gsulaw.gsu.edu/lawand/papers/su01/hinnant_meek/

HTH
Tom

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On
> Behalf Of Ben Walsh
> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 6:24 PM
> To: 'Bill Gilligan'; 'Jonathan - Driftwood'; 'Claudiu Bischoff';
> [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [meu] Mivascript community
>
>
> I'm not aware that owning a domain name containing another's trademark is a
> trademark infringement. Did something happen while I was sleeping?
>
> Making money off someone else's trademark obviously constitutes a violation,
> but a forum or discussion site? You've got to be kidding. That's got to be
> kosher. For instance if I opened up a site called walmartreview.biz
> (reviewing Walmart products) they wouldn't have a prayer of winning a
> trademark suit against me.
>
> You're fine using Mivascript.org Claudiu. If you get sued I'll pay the legal
> fees =) (as long as you don't compete with them or sell anything on it).
>
> Ben
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
> Of Bill Gilligan
> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 1:54 PM
> To: Jonathan - Driftwood; Claudiu Bischoff; [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [meu] Mivascript community
>
> I used to own www.mivacentral.com (now www.mvcentral.com)
> I released it at the request of Joe Austin.
> They are now using it.
>
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On
> Behalf Of Jonathan - Driftwood
> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 11:43 AM
> To: Claudiu Bischoff; [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [meu] Mivascript community
>
>
> Might want to use real caution with that domain name.
>
> I owned a selection of names which were aimed at Miva-based issues. I
> registered them many, many years ago when they first switched from
> HTMLScript to Miva Script. I also sent an email to the then CEO, Joe
> Austin and told him I had the names and would be happy to give them to Miva
> Corp if the issue ever arose. As I explained to Joe, I registered the
> names more to help and/or protect Miva Corp than any intention of using
> them actively. One's like "mivamerchant.net" and "miva-merchant.org" and
> "mivatreats.com" I did not want to see used for profit -- I wanted to use
> them for community building. At the time I did NOT own a hosting company
> nor was making any portion of my income from Miva Corp products.
>
> The names were NEVER used - and half of them simply directed traffic to
> miva.com! The whole point was not to use them to make money. Like my
> 'Miva Masochists Guild' site. Hell, when I first opened the MMG one Miva
> employee wrote to say they were going to sue me for using their name that
> way. It was quashed when Joe and other Miva employees went and simply
> looked at the damn thing and found it humorous; and because they had known
> me for years and knew well my intentions and perspectives.
>
> Then last year about this time I was contacted rather rudely and abruptly
> by Miva Corp and they demanded I immediately fork over the name(s)
> immediately because they said I was violating their trademark.
>
> Why they attacked me and not any of the other people using Miva-oriented
> domain names to actually make money - I do not know. None of my domain
> names was EVER used to generate revenue in any fashion. I guess if you use
> the domain name to make money Miva Corp lets it ride or something. Ahem.
>
> So Miva Corp's response to using domain names with any form of their name
> in the domain name is inconsistent at best. Apparently they will permit
> some people to use these names to make money - but very tangibly not for
> community building efforts. As I reflected to a Miva Corp officer last
> year, it was unfortunate that they decided to single-out 'community'
> efforts for negative action. The base reaction I got felt like I was being
> told "you do not understand the world of business". A real down-the-nose
> sort of reaction; from someone who has worked in the Miva world far less
> than half the number of years that I have.
>
> Your intentions are noble and - to me - a highly valuable resource. But if
> you use it for non-profit education or community building it will likely be
> seen by them as a threat for some reason. The previous CEO Joe Austin had
> a very realistic and honorable perspective on this matter. But it ain't
> Joe's company any more and the new owners have the right to do as they darn
> well please, and do not owe any explanation to the users or vendors or
> their products.
>
> Go figure...
>
> Jonathan
> Driftwood Network Services
>
>
>
> At 11:25 PM 1/11/2005, Claudiu Bischoff wrote:
> >Hello everybody...
> >
> > I have to tell all that I'm in a final phase of a mivascript community
> web
> >site project. It's an old dream that I had about that community so in my
> >spare time I developed the web-site.
> > I'll describe the site here.. because I really need your opinion
> >
> > First of all is a non-commercial website.. so I don't expect to make
> money
> >with it. It's all for the community and I built it all alone because there
> >were some failed attempts to build such a project .. and the main problem
> >was the time of the team, etc.. So I think that was a good choice to make
> it
> >all alone.
> >
> > The concept was to make a public database with all the mivascript
> >developers. Every developer can create freely an account (where he must
> >indicate his mivascripting level.. and some other information). He can fill
> >an online CV (only professional information of course) and even publish his
> >photo. There is a blog feature on every developer account (that the
> >developer can administrate too). The developer can also present his
> >mivascript work (there is a special menu to do that) and link to the
> >web-sites he made.
> > Another feature is the Resources side of the site. My idea was to let
> >developers publish their scripts (compiled or uncompiled) so everybody can
> >use it. There is a special menu for add/modify/delete scripts in the
> >developer account. There is a blog also for every published script. A
> >tutorial section is on the way (but here I need some help from you..) so
> >every developer can add tutorials.
> > There is an Online Projects feature also. The idea was to publish open
> >source projects online. I think there are some developers that have already
> >some open source mivascript projects and this could be a good place to
> >publish and promote them.
> > I want to make a mivascript functions database with a search engine. It
> >could be a good idea to build it in the same way as php.net. What I
> >appreciate out there are the examples for every function. So my idea was to
> >let developers "blog" every function with examples.
> > We have also a forum.. but I'm searching a way to make it work by e-mail
> >(like this one).. perhaps someone have already this functionality.. and
> want
> >to participate with it.. Else I'll be forced to make it all alone :)
> >
> > The next step will be to make a small "rent a coder" platform but that's
> >just an idea for the moment.(of course for free for the both sides projects
> >ppl and coders)
> >
> > So I really need help to the following points:
> >
> > 1. Language. I'm not English.. so I need help "translating" this site.
> > 2. Domain name. I have mivascript.org .. and I want to use it. I already
> >sent some e-mails to the Miva Corporation to ask permission to use it.. but
> >no answer. So I don't know if I have the right to use it or not (once again
> >is for the mivascript community and it is not a commercial website). I
> >really don't want to change the domain name because I think it is very
> >appropriate for those who are searching mivascript resources... What do you
> >think?
> > 3. The tutorial side of the website. I would like to know which would the
> >best way to make this module (back-office functionality). There are some
> >developers on the list that already done some tutorials.. so I think they
> >can give examples about the easiest way to make it (I already integrated
> >htmlarea editor to publish text.. so I think this can make it easier to
> >create tutorials)
> > 4. The Online Projects side. I don't think that is a good idea to copy
> >sourceforge.net because it's too complicated. If someone can give ideas
> >about how would be better to make it.. would be great.
> > 5. Do you think it's a non-sense to make all those efforts ?
> > 6. Do you believe that will be a dead-born project ? :)
> >
> > There is no preview online for the moment because is not finished. But
> I'll
> >be able to show something very soon. That why I wanted your opinion.. I
> want
> >to give everybody the possibility to participate with ideas.
> >
> > PS: All the website is developed in mivascript and it's a modular
> system...
> >so new functionality are very easy to implement. If you have other ideas
> >just let me know..
> >
> >
> > Thank you all for your efforts understanding my English.. Sorry for that.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Claudiu Bischoff
> >
> >

Mivascript community



BTW Using the article you referenced, I could find quite a bit =
supporting my
point actually... for example:

"The above classification scheme is applicable under the modern ACPA,
particularly in cases where priority in use is unclear or a purely
descriptive term is involved (see case law below). Furthermore, this =
very
classification scheme provides a "fair use" defense in the limited =
context
where a junior user uses a mark in its descriptive sense only as opposed =
to
trading on a senior user's established secondary meaning or where there =
is a
non-competing business or totally different product line involved, i.e.
Delta Airlines as opposed to Delta Faucets. Use of a mark as parody =
when it
appears in a traditional medium of protected non-commercial speech is =
also
fair use, i.e. "walmartsucks.com"."

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom [mailto:[email protected]]=20
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 7:06 PM
To: Ben Walsh; 'Bill Gilligan'; 'Jonathan - Driftwood'; 'Claudiu =
Bischoff';
[email protected]
Subject: RE: [meu] Mivascript community

An interesting article for you to read:
http://gsulaw.gsu.edu/lawand/papers/su01/hinnant_meek/

HTH
Tom

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On
> Behalf Of Ben Walsh
> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 6:24 PM
> To: 'Bill Gilligan'; 'Jonathan - Driftwood'; 'Claudiu Bischoff';
> [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [meu] Mivascript community
>
>
> I'm not aware that owning a domain name containing another's trademark =
is
a
> trademark infringement. Did something happen while I was sleeping?
>
> Making money off someone else's trademark obviously constitutes a
violation,
> but a forum or discussion site? You've got to be kidding. That's got =
to be
> kosher. For instance if I opened up a site called walmartreview.biz
> (reviewing Walmart products) they wouldn't have a prayer of winning a
> trademark suit against me.
>
> You're fine using Mivascript.org Claudiu. If you get sued I'll pay the
legal
> fees =3D) (as long as you don't compete with them or sell anything on =
it).
>
> Ben
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf
> Of Bill Gilligan
> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 1:54 PM
> To: Jonathan - Driftwood; Claudiu Bischoff; [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [meu] Mivascript community
>
> I used to own www.mivacentral.com (now www.mvcentral.com)
> I released it at the request of Joe Austin.
> They are now using it.
>
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On
> Behalf Of Jonathan - Driftwood
> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 11:43 AM
> To: Claudiu Bischoff; [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [meu] Mivascript community
>
>
> Might want to use real caution with that domain name.
>
> I owned a selection of names which were aimed at Miva-based issues. I
> registered them many, many years ago when they first switched from
> HTMLScript to Miva Script. I also sent an email to the then CEO, Joe
> Austin and told him I had the names and would be happy to give them to
Miva
> Corp if the issue ever arose. As I explained to Joe, I registered the
> names more to help and/or protect Miva Corp than any intention of =
using
> them actively. One's like "mivamerchant.net" and "miva-merchant.org" =
and
> "mivatreats.com" I did not want to see used for profit -- I wanted to =
use
> them for community building. At the time I did NOT own a hosting =
company
> nor was making any portion of my income from Miva Corp products.
>
> The names were NEVER used - and half of them simply directed traffic =
to
> miva.com! The whole point was not to use them to make money. Like my
> 'Miva Masochists Guild' site. Hell, when I first opened the MMG one =
Miva
> employee wrote to say they were going to sue me for using their name =
that
> way. It was quashed when Joe and other Miva employees went and simply
> looked at the damn thing and found it humorous; and because they had =
known
> me for years and knew well my intentions and perspectives.
>
> Then last year about this time I was contacted rather rudely and =
abruptly
> by Miva Corp and they demanded I immediately fork over the name(s)
> immediately because they said I was violating their trademark.
>
> Why they attacked me and not any of the other people using =
Miva-oriented
> domain names to actually make money - I do not know. None of my =
domain
> names was EVER used to generate revenue in any fashion. I guess if =
you
use
> the domain name to make money Miva Corp lets it ride or something. =
Ahem.
>
> So Miva Corp's response to using domain names with any form of their =
name
> in the domain name is inconsistent at best. Apparently they will =
permit
> some people to use these names to make money - but very tangibly not =
for
> community building efforts. As I reflected to a Miva Corp officer =
last
> year, it was unfortunate that they decided to single-out 'community'
> efforts for negative action. The base reaction I got felt like I was
being
> told "you do not understand the world of business". A real =
down-the-nose
> sort of reaction; from someone who has worked in the Miva world far =
less
> than half the number of years that I have.
>
> Your intentions are noble and - to me - a highly valuable resource. =
But
if
> you use it for non-profit education or community building it will =
likely
be
> seen by them as a threat for some reason. The previous CEO Joe Austin =
had
> a very realistic and honorable perspective on this matter. But it =
ain't
> Joe's company any more and the new owners have the right to do as they
darn
> well please, and do not owe any explanation to the users or vendors or
> their products.
>
> Go figure...
>
> Jonathan
> Driftwood Network Services
>
>
>
> At 11:25 PM 1/11/2005, Claudiu Bischoff wrote:
> >Hello everybody...
> >
> > I have to tell all that I'm in a final phase of a mivascript =
community
> web
> >site project. It's an old dream that I had about that community so in =
my
> >spare time I developed the web-site.
> > I'll describe the site here.. because I really need your opinion
> >
> > First of all is a non-commercial website.. so I don't expect to =
make
> money
> >with it. It's all for the community and I built it all alone because
there
> >were some failed attempts to build such a project .. and the main =
problem
> >was the time of the team, etc.. So I think that was a good choice to =
make
> it
> >all alone.
> >
> > The concept was to make a public database with all the mivascript
> >developers. Every developer can create freely an account (where he =
must
> >indicate his mivascripting level.. and some other information). He =
can
fill
> >an online CV (only professional information of course) and even =
publish
his
> >photo. There is a blog feature on every developer account (that the
> >developer can administrate too). The developer can also present his
> >mivascript work (there is a special menu to do that) and link to the
> >web-sites he made.
> > Another feature is the Resources side of the site. My idea was to =
let
> >developers publish their scripts (compiled or uncompiled) so =
everybody
can
> >use it. There is a special menu for add/modify/delete scripts in the
> >developer account. There is a blog also for every published script. A
> >tutorial section is on the way (but here I need some help from you..) =
so
> >every developer can add tutorials.
> > There is an Online Projects feature also. The idea was to publish =
open
> >source projects online. I think there are some developers that have
already
> >some open source mivascript projects and this could be a good place =
to
> >publish and promote them.
> > I want to make a mivascript functions database with a search =
engine. It
> >could be a good idea to build it in the same way as php.net. What I
> >appreciate out there are the examples for every function. So my idea =
was
to
> >let developers "blog" every function with examples.
> > We have also a forum.. but I'm searching a way to make it work by
e-mail
> >(like this one).. perhaps someone have already this functionality.. =
and
> want
> >to participate with it.. Else I'll be forced to make it all alone :)
> >
> > The next step will be to make a small "rent a coder" platform but
that's
> >just an idea for the moment.(of course for free for the both sides
projects
> >ppl and coders)
> >
> > So I really need help to the following points:
> >
> > 1. Language. I'm not English.. so I need help "translating" this =
site.
> > 2. Domain name. I have mivascript.org .. and I want to use it. I
already
> >sent some e-mails to the Miva Corporation to ask permission to use =
it..
but
> >no answer. So I don't know if I have the right to use it or not (once
again
> >is for the mivascript community and it is not a commercial website). =
I
> >really don't want to change the domain name because I think it is =
very
> >appropriate for those who are searching mivascript resources... What =
do
you
> >think?
> > 3. The tutorial side of the website. I would like to know which =
would
the
> >best way to make this module (back-office functionality). There are =
some
> >developers on the list that already done some tutorials.. so I think =
they
> >can give examples about the easiest way to make it (I already =
integrated
> >htmlarea editor to publish text.. so I think this can make it easier =
to
> >create tutorials)
> > 4. The Online Projects side. I don't think that is a good idea to =
copy
> >sourceforge.net because it's too complicated. If someone can give =
ideas
> >about how would be better to make it.. would be great.
> > 5. Do you think it's a non-sense to make all those efforts ?
> > 6. Do you believe that will be a dead-born project ? :)
> >
> > There is no preview online for the moment because is not finished. =
But
> I'll
> >be able to show something very soon. That why I wanted your opinion.. =
I
> want
> >to give everybody the possibility to participate with ideas.
> >
> > PS: All the website is developed in mivascript and it's a modular
> system...
> >so new functionality are very easy to implement. If you have other =
ideas
> >just let me know..
> >
> >
> > Thank you all for your efforts understanding my English.. Sorry for
that.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Claudiu Bischoff
> >
> >